I'm a 5'6 male with a 5'9 wingspan. My femur and tibia are about ~37cm each, which I assume is unusual, but convenient for LL, especially on the femurs.
I did some mockups of what I might look like with 8cm on my femur, 5cm on my humerus, and 5cm on my tibia and the end result looks like a very normal looking 5'11 male with a 6'1 wingspan and really no issues in terms of proportionality.
Is this realistic? Am I being a bit overzealous here? Is there something I've not taken into consideration. I could be content with just a single LL to 5'9, but I feel like if I'm gonna do it, why not go all the way?
I live in the LA area so it is kind of a given that I'd go with Dr. Shahab Mahboubian, unless others have a better suggestion.
Despite how superficial this city is, I will say that dating and women aren't really my motivations here as my height hasn't really held me back too much in that area (although I'm sure it would have given it a huge boost had I had the height to go along with the charm and the good looking face). The biggest thing for me is the emasculation I feel around my professional peers due to my height, where quite a few of the women are also taller than me. One should command a certain presence when one is leading a large group of people, but I don't think I'll ever have that effect with this height. I really abhor taking photos with people as a result, an exercise that's become increasingly difficult for me to avoid lately.
5'6 38yo male - Goal: 5'11 - Plan: femur -> humerus -> tibia - 1y apart
One other question I've also wanted to ask, if there are others here who've done tibia LL is regarding this peculiar phenomenon I've noticed on certain people who've had LL on their tibia where instead of being stretched out and thinner, the lower leg muscles actually become much bigger than they were before. Has that been your observation as well? That's probably the biggest secondary reason for also doing my tibia (if it will add volume to it) because what I have right now are basically chicken legs.
Quote from: AnotherLLer on June 15, 2024, 09:36:27 PMHumerus is extreme IMO and doing 5 inches is not necessary. Do 3 or 4 inches max and focus on recovery instead. 3 LL is no joke, man.
Extreme in the sense that it's not necessary or that it's a more difficult journey than other LL surgeries? I figured since Paley and a couple of other doctors offer it cosmetically, that it's probably not too crazy. Has anyone here done it?
Personally, wouldn't mind just a 3in on my femur and 2in on my humerus (one year apart) and leave it at that.
I suppose I can consider tibia some later down the road. I care more about natural proportions than I do maximum height so the tibia thing is just the icing on the cake I can consider later on.
Quote from: Fiddlestick on June 16, 2024, 12:08:06 AMThe arm lengthening is optional.
Nobody on the street measures your proportion.
No woman on bed measures your proportion.
Only people on this forum and YOU are measuring your proportion.
Concern about arm length and being proportional for me has very little (read: nothing) to do with women. Even the the height thing is more to treat a general psychological issue than it is specifically being women centric. I have a fiance who is more or less my height and who many might think is a model. I've actually been quite lucky when it comes to women, despite my height disadvantage.
Now, of course, I've always dreamed of being noticeably taller than her, but my stature relative to the average male (and my brothers who are all 5'10 and 5'11) is really the main thing that bothers me and if the humerus lengthening is not highly invasive, I have no problem putting up with it for 6 months for the lifetime of psychological comfort it would give me. I'm technically average height where I was born, but obviously not so here in the US.
Quote from: AnotherLLer on June 16, 2024, 12:55:37 AMWell, unless you have visible disproportion between limbs, it's ok not to lengthen your arms.
IMO, if your humerus and forearm look proportionate to each other and humerus descends normally relative to torso while the hands descend below crotch (at least to mid thigh), it's ok. The thing is your arms should look harmonious relative to your torso and pelvis. IMO, most people who have negative ape index at their natural height pre-LL tend to look bad even without LL.
Take Henry Cavill for example who, IMO, has at least -5 inch ape index. His arms look suspicious because he naturally has severe negative ape index, which is not the result of LL but he was born with it. The same goes for Artem Lobov guy. He looks weird because he was born with underdeveloped arms for his body.
Now, there are limits of course, no matter how harmonious your arm length looks relative to your upper body and pelvis. If you go for too much on femurs, the distance from hands to knees will look too long and it will look suspicious.
IMO, 2 inches on tibia and 3 inches on femur is the absolute max one can do if his arms look normal relative to his body pre-LL and if and only if he has very short legs relative to torso to begin with. If one is already leggy, he will look really bad with 5 inches of LL, there's no question about it.
My wingspan, as I mentioned, is 5'9, so my arms are slightly on the longer side for my height and my legs on the shorter side. The tip of my finger reaches around 2/3 of the way down my thighs to my knees. But after lengthening, I would hate to feel self-conscious about my arms, plus, honestly, I want a long reach commensurate with my new height. Adding 3inches to my femurs to reach 5'9 would make my arms the same length as my height, so it would probably look normal. But if I ever do my tibia to reach 5'11, my arms would appear to be on the shorter side. If I were Asian, I think they would still look normal (i.e consistent with expectations), but I'm a brown North African and short arms aren't all that common amongst people of black/African descent.
So my question is, when you say humerus is extreme, are you saying it's more invasive and more dangerous than other surgeries or is it more about it being unnecessary for normal appearance?
Quote from: sxxa on June 16, 2024, 02:53:32 AMIn my opinion I would say humerus lenghtening after quad LL is a toll your body won't take well. I mean you are not a Baki character, 3 big surgeries on your body have all things needed to be a disaster. I don't think you understand quite well how hard this procedure actually is. Nerves, muscles, blood, and all complicated medical stuff you don't know are compromised with this.
Fair points, but I didn't say humerus after quad. The humerus was after bilateral femur. Tibia, I'm not too concerned about. That can wait years if necessary.
To your point, it's true, I can't say I fully understand how much of a toll this is on my body. But if the issue is "hey this is too much for your body to take at the same time or within a year," I totally understand. But if it's a bad idea in general, even years apart, I'm just curious what the issue is there. I want to fully consider all of the risks associated with it before I do anything.
I think based on the feedback here, I'm not inclined to do more than two procedures within at least a span of 3 years. But the general aversion to humerus lengthening seems to just be instinctual rather than anything scientifically/medically relevant. I'd certainly like to know though if that's wrong.
Quote from: Beemer m3 on June 17, 2024, 08:51:50 AMif u add one inch to ur humerous that adds two inches to ur wingspan if u havent thought of that.
Yes, of course. That's why I said my wingspan would be 6'1 at the end with a 2 inch increase.
Quotebut ur wingspan is really long and i dont think u need humerous lengthening after a 5'11 increase. i mean u would look long in every department but ur muscle stretching arms n legs u would be thinking why. its pretty physical like sore muscles but its everyday until who knows when it heals. at 38 yo ur body aint like it used to be too.
It looks like you started at my height and planning to do more or less the same? What is your final goal? How has your recovery been for your tibia?
The age thing is a fair point, but my assumption is that I can mitigate much of that by spacing out the procedures over a 3 year period or so.
Quote from: AnotherLLer on June 18, 2024, 07:04:31 PMOP, take advice from this guy. 3 LL is no joke, especially 6 inches in legs and then 2 inches in humerus.
Start with tibia as it will look better and is cheap and safe if done fully externally. You can go up to 6 cm and straighten the shins at the same time if they are bowed. You can always do femurs later.
5 inches, not 6. More likely 4 and some change. But I appreciate the feedback and I think I'll just do one and see. And no, I don't think I'll do tibia first. Given that I already have an almost 1:1 tiba to femur ratio, that would be silly.
Quote from: AllinStryde on June 18, 2024, 06:47:49 PMJust of these procedures is extremely difficult. It's easy to say you want to do 3 separate procedures before you have embarked on even one. I will advise you to just do one first, and see what it entails. You may be surprised with the results and be quite satisfied. Make arms the last thing...as there is no height gain there at all to benefit you. And like many said before...you are the only one measuring your proportions, nobody is out there trying to analyze that on you in your daily life. Yes, I've done it, and no...there's no easy CLL.
Thanks for the feedback. I'll take these suggestions under advisement and just do one and see how it turns out. I have a relative who is about 5'10 and he naturally has the proportions I would be after the CLL and it looks good on him. Actually better than other "normal" variants I've seen. So, I'll just see how it turns out. Fortunately for me, most of my height deficit is in my femurs. All other segments, including my tibia and wingspan, seem to be consistent with a person who is 5'9. I'll see if I'll have the appetite to do more later down the road.
What were your gains and procedure, if I may ask?
So here is a mockup I did of my final proportions for the three possible scenarios:
https://imgur.com/a/UF05VZB
180cm femurs/tibia/humerus | 180cm femurs/tibia | 175cm femurs
(the single barefoot is to equalize the uneven legs)
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