5'7 and more who want ll do you know the reason of your complex?

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haha turkish average at 175, no way. Turkish average is 5-8
you are overestimating average

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Quote from: Body Builder on January 07, 2018, 10:30:51 AMBeing less than average and think that as a problem is reality, not bdd.
I don't want to comvince anyone, people at about my height know the truth amd thats why the majority of them has a problem with that height which is not bad bad not enough either to feel completely ok.
When I was shorter, like you, I thought that being 1.74-5 would lose all my problems and yes is it a much much better height than 1.68 but still you face problems on dating.
Only after 1.78-80 that kind of problems stop. And this is the harsh reality, not bdd.

So how much percentage of women would have to not reject you for your height for you to be ok with it? 90%? 100%?

So you are 5'9 and you say you don't have BDD, would you think that someone that is 5'10 and wants to lengthen has BDD?

I mean at 5 feet, one can argue that it is reasonable for a women say she rejects a man for his height. No one would call her overly shallow. But at 5'10 I think that most people will agree that if a women says hes too short then shes just being shallow and unreasonable. I would even say at 5'9.

the literal definition of BDD is "a body-image disorder characterized by persistent and intrusive preoccupations with an imagined or slight defect in one's appearance."

At 5'9 your height disadvantage can be considered minor. But you are still getting LL. This is why I say you have BDD.

Nothing wrong with that. I have BDD too. I am getting LL to get rid of my BDD and move on with my life.

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Quote from: myloginacct on January 07, 2018, 05:32:39 AMThat's because those are women from some of the tallest countries in the world. At 175cm/5'9, you'll be taller than the majority of women in the streets, even in those countries, and even if only by a few centimeters. 5'9 can't, by definition, be short, that being the case. Posts like "In my opinion anything above 5'10 is acceptable" only serve to feed into the height dysphoria of the majority of the members here, the most part who are 5'6 and below. In my opinion, anything above 6'1 is acceptable, as then you'll finally stop having problems not feeling tall compared to the women of the Dinaric Alps.

Are Turkish males taller now too? 175cm seems like a perfectly good height for the country. Do you still get height dysphoria?

I absolutely agree with you.

I believe the Turkish male average is really somewhere between 1.72-1.74 as the statistics show but it might be higher in big cities like Istanbul also young generation appears to be taller.

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It does not have so much to do with the topic but mann i just saw it to many times today too many times i am really thinking i dont know anymore man saw to many tall guys with pretty girls tall girls short girls average girls while the average or short guys sucked dude just thinking about my prevous life where i thought u need to be gentle u need to be that to let the girl fell in love with u while the short guys thinked just about being loved and loved and the girls gucled at that time spribged from bed to bed being honest it makes me just bummm

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Quote from: Zeo on January 07, 2018, 02:56:21 PMSo how much percentage of women would have to not reject you for your height for you to be ok with it? 90%? 100%?

So you are 5'9 and you say you don't have BDD, would you think that someone that is 5'10 and wants to lengthen has BDD?

I mean at 5 feet, one can argue that it is reasonable for a women say she rejects a man for his height. No one would call her overly shallow. But at 5'10 I think that most people will agree that if a women says hes too short then shes just being shallow and unreasonable. I would even say at 5'9.

the literal definition of BDD is "a body-image disorder characterized by persistent and intrusive preoccupations with an imagined or slight defect in one's appearance."

At 5'9 your height disadvantage can be considered minor. But you are still getting LL. This is why I say you have BDD.

Nothing wrong with that. I have BDD too. I am getting LL to get rid of my BDD and move on with my life.
Imo if more than 10-20% max of women reject for one and only specific trait then this trait is a major drawback that must be solved (if it could).
And an 5.9 (5.85 to be more specific as this is my evening height) is being rejected for his height for at least 30-40% of women and for the majority of the other percentage he should be really good to being prefered than an average tall man.

So I insist that I don't have bdd, I just face the reality where being not taller than average makes your dating life much harder than it should.
You don't need to be tall, you just need to be completeley average and a little more to never have any problem with height again.
And for my country that height is 1.78 which trust me, it has a big difference compared to my 1.74 for women.
Believe it or not that almost 2 inches are changing the game between strugling with women due to your height and have almost any woman you want never think again about your height. So yes, hiting a solid 1.80 is really lifechanging amd thats the reality, not a kind of bdd.

It is different to not like your body when it is fine than not like your body when it gives you troubles. The first IS bdd, the second is consciousness.
And my case, as the majority of cases of men less than average height, is clearly the second.

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Quote from: Body Builder on January 08, 2018, 12:47:13 AMImo if more than 10-20% max of women reject for one and only specific trait then this trait is a major drawback that must be solved (if it could).
And an 5.9 (5.85 to be more specific as this is my evening height) is being rejected for his height for at least 30-40% of women and for the majority of the other percentage he should be really good to being prefered than an average tall man.

So I insist that I don't have bdd, I just face the reality where being not taller than average makes your dating life much harder than it should.
You don't need to be tall, you just need to be completeley average and a little more to never have any problem with height again.
And for my country that height is 1.78 which trust me, it has a big difference compared to my 1.74 for women.
Believe it or not that almost 2 inches are changing the game between strugling with women due to your height and have almost any woman you want never think again about your height. So yes, hiting a solid 1.80 is really lifechanging amd thats the reality, not a kind of bdd.

It is different to not like your body when it is fine than not like your body when it gives you troubles. The first IS bdd, the second is consciousness.
And my case, as the majority of cases of men less than average height, is clearly the second.
This is bullsh-it
You're experiencing BDD like all of us.Don't think you're special or different.
BDD is psychological and is almost all caused by an absurd view of society.
You had a perfect functionally body and choose to do LL for achieving social "benefits".Which almost all of users here are seeking it.Not because someone is saying himself at mirror and thinking "what an ugly body"

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I would like to point out that BDD isn't something we all have just because we're on a forum about CLL. A lot of us here could happily live with short stature, but believe that CLL would make life even better.

BDD is debilitating, it's related to OCD (the clinical kind, not the "oh man, I'm so OCD about arranging my movie collection" type of casual OCD). Case in point, a person with BDD will avoid social situations or obsess about their features throughout the day without a break. They may wear clothing to cover up their bodies, get multiple cosmetic surgeries, and still feel miserable. There are people spending hundreds of thousands to look like celebrities, basically other people, so that they feel comfortable in their skin.

This is unlike most people who get surgeries and forget that they ever got it done (like some of our veterans here, along with many who get Botox injections, breast implants, liposuction, hair transplants, etc.). In contrast, BDD is believed to be incurable even with treatment -- you scrutinize the results or move onto a new "problem."

If you're curious, take the test here. You can also take a test in which you can get a personalized reply from a researcher as well.

I'm not certain but I don't think that Body Builder has BDD. He has strong dislike for short stature and thinks a lot about it, but I doubt he's turning down hanging out with friends because he's afraid that they're going to judge his height, face, bicep size, etc.

Just wanted to share my two cents as to not dilute the weight of real BDD, as is the case for OCD. Let's remember that we have a word just for us, a condition that's a lot milder in comparison: height neurosis. There's a good chance that we all share this one!

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Quote from: Android on January 08, 2018, 04:36:44 AMI would like to point out that BDD isn't something we all have just because we're on a forum about CLL. A lot of us here could happily live with short stature, but believe that CLL would make life even better.

BDD is debilitating, it's related to OCD (the clinical kind, not the "oh man, I'm so OCD about arranging my movie collection" type of casual OCD). Case in point, a person with BDD will avoid social situations or obsess about their features throughout the day without a break. They may wear clothing to cover up their bodies, get multiple cosmetic surgeries, and still feel miserable. There are people spending hundreds of thousands to look like celebrities, basically other people, so that they feel comfortable in their skin.

This is unlike most people who get surgeries and forget that they ever got it done (like some of our veterans here, along with many who get Botox injections, breast implants, liposuction, hair transplants, etc.). In contrast, BDD is believed to be incurable even with treatment -- you scrutinize the results or move onto a new "problem."

If you're curious, take the test here. You can also take a test in which you can get a personalized reply from a researcher as well.

I'm not certain but I don't think that Body Builder has BDD. He has strong dislike for short stature and thinks a lot about it, but I doubt he's turning down hanging out with friends because he's afraid that they're going to judge his height, face, bicep size, etc.

Just wanted to share my two cents as to not dilute the weight of real BDD, as is the case for OCD. Let's remember that we have a word just for us, a condition that's a lot milder in comparison: height neurosis. There's a good chance that we all share this one!
Very well said.
Some people here think that the fact that we don't like our heights due to the problems that cause to our social life (epsecially on dating) mean that we are some crazy weirdos that have bdd and are miserable and hate ourselves.

Thats bs.
I just hated my initial height and still think my current height as a drawback. I am completely ok with myself, I am very social and I like and care a lot about my body amd I don't want to change anything else except from my height, which is still less than average by 3-4 cm.
So only a fool would believe that someone who wants to change something in his appearance, even height which is so extreme but so important too, suffer from bdd.

The fact that we want to fix something in our appearance which is not as good as it should (or as we wanted to be) is healthy and means that we are not delusional or pessimistic but we fight for the best.
The majority of short LLers have not bdd, they have an objective drawback that they want to fix.
Nothing more sensible than that.

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Quote from: Android on January 08, 2018, 04:36:44 AMI would like to point out that BDD isn't something we all have just because we're on a forum about CLL. A lot of us here could happily live with short stature, but believe that CLL would make life even better.

BDD is debilitating, it's related to OCD (the clinical kind, not the "oh man, I'm so OCD about arranging my movie collection" type of casual OCD). Case in point, a person with BDD will avoid social situations or obsess about their features throughout the day without a break. They may wear clothing to cover up their bodies, get multiple cosmetic surgeries, and still feel miserable. There are people spending hundreds of thousands to look like celebrities, basically other people, so that they feel comfortable in their skin.

This is unlike most people who get surgeries and forget that they ever got it done (like some of our veterans here, along with many who get Botox injections, breast implants, liposuction, hair transplants, etc.). In contrast, BDD is believed to be incurable even with treatment -- you scrutinize the results or move onto a new "problem."

If you're curious, take the test here. You can also take a test in which you can get a personalized reply from a researcher as well.

I'm not certain but I don't think that Body Builder has BDD. He has strong dislike for short stature and thinks a lot about it, but I doubt he's turning down hanging out with friends because he's afraid that they're going to judge his height, face, bicep size, etc.

Just wanted to share my two cents as to not dilute the weight of real BDD, as is the case for OCD. Let's remember that we have a word just for us, a condition that's a lot milder in comparison: height neurosis. There's a good chance that we all share this one!

This is more or less accurate.

First, BDD is an overdiagnosed umbrella term that is handed out like candy to everyone who shows up to a psychiatrist's office with a complaint about their looks, which in many cases is justified. Most people who are diagnosed with "BDD" regarding a particular physical feature (facial aesthetics, large nose/ears, baldness, short stature, etc) really ARE unattractive because of that feature.

Actual "BDD" wherein the person's "dysmorphia" is unfounded - i.e. the person actually DOESN'T have the flaw they perceive themselves to - is basically UNHEARD OF.

That isn't the case here. There's nobody on this board who is 6'5", but when they look in the mirror they see a 5'2" guy. The problem people have here is they're 5'5" (for example) and when they look in the mirror they see a guy who's 5'5", and when they go out with their friends or just alone they get treated like a guy who's 5'5" (i.e. like a walking punch line, butt of people's jokes, etc).

The problem with all these "psychology" terms like height neurosis or BDD or whatever is that they take the focus off of HEIGHTISM, which is what is actually causing people to perceive their short stature as a flaw and creating the "neurosis" in the first place. People don't just randomly start hating themselves because of a feature and develop mental illnesses for it. It's OTHER people's treatment of them that causes it.

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Quote from: extremis on January 13, 2018, 04:59:34 AMPeople don't just randomly start hating themselves because of a feature and develop mental illnesses for it. It's OTHER people's treatment of them that causes it.

Very true, everything is relative, many of our emotions are reactions to how others perceive us. Some of the most beautiful fashion models have self-image issues since they constantly look at themselves in the mirror and judge each other.

This is also why short people feel better when visiting countries with shorter people -- it's because the environment treats them much better.