Randomly found an interesting study the other day and thought I'd share it on here.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31859-6/fulltext
You guys are always talking about how younger guys are taller than the adult average and I found some relevant tidbits in here.
-Average height of 19-year old men in the Netherlands in 1985: 180.6cm
-Average height of 19-year old men in the Netherlands in 2019: 183.8cm (rank 1)
-Average height of 19-year old men in the US in 1985: 175.8 cm
-Average height of 19-year old men in the US in 2019: 176.9 cm (rank 48)
My thought on this one is that it's due to demographic change. The average height of white guys in the US is probably around 178-180cm.
-Average height of 19-year old men in China in 1985: 167.6cm
-Average height of 19-year old men in China in 2019: 175.7cm (rank 65)
The change over the last 35 years here is pretty crazy (more than a full femur CLL.) I can definitely see why this forum has so many Chinese visitors.
-Average height of 19-year old men in Japan in 1985: 170.4cm
-Average height of 19-year old men in Japan in 2019: 172.1cm (rank 115)
Japan was already rich by 1985 so it looks like they're limited by genetics.
Global height ranking for UK has worsened over past 35 years, with 19-year-old boys falling from 28th tallest in 1985 (176.3 cm) to 39th in 2019 (178.2 cm).
It looks like average heights in the whole world are growing still.
Quote from: HeightGain on March 27, 2021, 08:19:46 AMThere is enormous variation within countries. The rich areas of Western Europe and US, 183cm at 19 years old would be considered average, 178cm short.
Maybe in Europe, but Idk about the US. Even in the Midwest where there’s a ton of tall white guys there are plenty of short white guys too. I highly doubt the average is over 6ft in any part of the US.
Quote from: HeightGain on March 27, 2021, 03:02:49 PMIt depends what groups you are part of. Young, wealthy white men and women that go to the top universities are a lot taller than those averages. That is to be expected as height is correlated with earnings and wealth which means better schools and better grades and the best universities
You could probably say that the elite university students from any country are taller than the average person in that country. But the percentage is so small that it doesn't affect the national average at all. I don't see your point. The topic is national averages and the US is not very tall because it is very diverse. I'm sure you can find the national average height for white men only but I would be very surprised if it was higher than 178-180cm.
Besides, if you attend a big public school in the US with 40000+ students the height distribution is not going to be that different from the national height distribution. Plenty of engineering departments at these schools (Michigan, Illinois, Berkeley) feed into the Bay Area with some of the highest earning recent college grads coming out of school.
The correlation with height and income is pretty weak ($600-$800/year/inch.) This is definitely not worth getting LL for. I don't know if there's a correlation between height and wealth. If there is, I haven't seen it before, but I would be interested if you can find a study. The much bigger issue regarding height and money is how much money you need to compensate for being a short guy in dating.
Quote from: Body Builder on March 27, 2021, 04:47:34 PMIt is a joke that China has an 1,75 average and japan 1.72. Even 1,70 is much for China but 1,75 is really a joke.
I find it suspect as well, but they are taking the source material from 42 different studies in China, and some of them are measured and not self-reported heights. The 2019 height is about the same as Korea, which seems somewhat reasonable? (Though I've never been there so I can't confirm.) I believe the height for Japan though, they are not very tall.
Then again, I was in Amsterdam last year (pre-surgery) and it didn't feel to me like the average person was much taller than the average American, so I guess sample size and bias matters a lot.
Quote from: F_99 on March 28, 2021, 05:34:08 PMEven when it comes to the young, wealthy white men subgroup in the US, 178cm is not short.
Exactly, 178cm is not tall but it's not short either. I went to a top boarding school in the US for high school (an Ivy League feeder) and sure, more than a few of my classmates turned out to be 6'2" or taller after college, but there were plenty of short ones too. I guess if you exclude the men of Jewish ancestry (which there are a ton of in the elite education circle) then maybe the average for white guys could be 180. I still don't think it's anywhere near 6' because there are so many 5'7" to 5'10" white guys.
Maybe the average would approach 6' if you only count midwestern guys with Germanic or Scandinavian ancestry, but that's so specific that it's meaningless. Plus you won't find it on the east or west coasts.
Quote from: Coeus on March 28, 2021, 11:13:07 AMIt's time tik tok was banned 
.Not only is tik tok exaggerating the importance of height but also Chinese average height(For millions of times I've seen some users said 185cm was very short in their habitats...).In 80's,as long as you're a rich man over 150cm,marriage is not a dream.But nowadays even though you're Jack Ma under 165cm,perhaps it's easy to get far away from teenage and college lovers and can't get married along life).
Quote from: Serilium on March 28, 2021, 01:15:37 PMTikTok/Douyin has created a generation of body dysphoria, lookism, heightism, for everyone ages 0-25 that validates you if you're in the top 1% of looks and puts you down if you're in the lower 99%. It is no good for society and is absolutely cancerous.
This 1/99 already happened forever in society before TikTok. Now it is on absolute steroids with TikTok/YouTube/Movies/TV, with TikTok impacting kids the most now.
There is hundreds of thousands of Chinese TikTok videos mocking short guys. Imagine I mocked someone for a genetically inherited terminal illness, something out of their control, that'll be too far right? But surely height is okay to play games with.
And with FaceTune and leg extender apps everything is being more fake and setting up a young generation to absolutely go crazy with valuing looks and unrealistic beauty standards, as if it wasn't important enough before. With these fake apps, it's like we're living in a facade, everyone is faking it and reality doesn't even matter anymore.
If "perfect" girls/boys still need to get plastic surgery and edit their photos with FaceTune, can you even imagine how the bottom 50% feel? Let alone the lower 5%. TikTok is cancėr.
Not to mention it has ruined everyone's attention span.
Yeah, social media is cancer and I'm especially glad I'm not part of the TikTok generation. 10 years ago, girls in their early 20s expected guys to be popular on Facebook. Nowadays the early 20s cohort expects guys to have a lot of Instagram followers. If I wait any longer to settle down I'm going to have to start a TikTok
In all seriousness though, one big advantage of dating as a guy in your 30s is that girls in their early 20s are more willing to accept that you don't use social media. You'll have to play a more mature role and have your sh*t together financially but that beats trying to become popular on social media imo.
Quote from: HeightGain on March 28, 2021, 06:37:08 PMIt is not pleasent for people on here to hear it because even after surgery they will be below average in certain subsets. Other posters have talked about it on here before about 178cm being considered short. Wealthy and white in the top academic institutions and employers, 178 is short.
You yourself have said that the average height is at least 178/9 where you live.
I have studied in multiple top places in Europe and my experience has been the same in each place.
I'm not sure if you are referring to me or someone else. I don't remember specifying the average height around where I live on this forum. I personally don't mind being technically below average height after surgery. I'm not going to change my username or lengthen my tibias. I already did all I'm willing to do to grow in height and I believe the surgery will serve its intended purpose for me once I recover.
However, with that said you keep bucketing the US with Europe but the US is shorter than most of Western and Northern Europe. There is no way that rich white men have an average height of 183cm in the top academic institutions in the US unless you exclude men of Jewish ancestry. Maybe it's different in Europe, but Jewish people are a huge demographic in US Ivy League schools and statistically significant in this case.
I have anecdotes like you do too:
- One time when I was hanging out in Budapest my friends and I randomly ran into an Ivy League frat on a barcrawl and we ended up joining them for the night ('Mericans f*k yeah.) There were about 15 guys and while two of the guys were over 6'3", five of them were 5'6"-5'9", the rest were 5'10"-6', so I don't think the average was anywhere near 183cm. In fact, I'm pretty sure the average local guy was actually taller than most guys in the group.
- One time I was clubbing in the Wan Chai district of Hong Kong and my friends and I ran into a group of British college kids. I will say that every single one of them was over 6' tall and they actually mocked us for being American (jerks!) I would certainly believe if you said rich college kids in the UK are 183cm on average based on that experience, though I've been to London a few times and I don't think the average person there is all that tall.
- I know several South African Americans of British and Dutch descent and none of them are over 6' tall.
Based on my personal experience, I feel like Americans just aren't as tall as Europeans, and I really can't picture the average height of rich white guys from elite US schools being 183cm on average, and it's not due to lack of exposure.
Quote from: HeightGain on March 28, 2021, 06:37:08 PMIt is not pleasent for people on here to hear it because even after surgery they will be below average in certain subsets. Other posters have talked about it on here before about 178cm being considered short. Wealthy and white in the top academic institutions and employers, 178 is short.
You yourself have said that the average height is at least 178/9 where you live.
I have studied in multiple top places in Europe and my experience has been the same in each place.
I'm not sure if you are referring to me or someone else. I don't remember specifying the average height around where I live on this forum. I personally don't mind being technically below average height after surgery. I'm not going to change my username or lengthen my tibias. I already did all I'm willing to do to grow in height and I believe the surgery will serve its intended purpose for me once I recover.
However, with that said you keep bucketing the US with Europe but the US is shorter than most of Western and Northern Europe. There is no way that rich white men have an average height of 183cm in the top academic institutions in the US unless you exclude men of Jewish ancestry. Maybe it's different in Europe, but Jewish people are a huge demographic in US Ivy League schools and statistically significant in this case.
I have anecdotes like you do too:
- One time when I was hanging out in Budapest my friends and I randomly ran into an Ivy League frat on a barcrawl and we ended up joining them for the night ('Mericans f*k yeah.) There were about 15 guys and while two of the guys were over 6'3", five of them were 5'6"-5'9", the rest were 5'10"-6', so I don't think the average was anywhere near 183cm. In fact, I'm pretty sure the average local guy was actually taller than most guys in the group.
- One time I was clubbing in the Wan Chai district of Hong Kong and my friends and I ran into a group of British college kids. I will say that every single one of them was over 6' tall and they actually mocked us for being American (jerks!) I would certainly believe if you said rich college kids in the UK are 183cm on average based on that experience, though I've been to London a few times and I don't think the average person there is all that tall.
- I know several South African Americans of British and Dutch descent and none of them are over 6' tall.
Based on my personal experience, I feel like Americans just aren't as tall as Europeans, and I really can't picture the average height of rich white guys from elite US schools being 183cm on average, and it's not due to lack of exposure.
Quote from: Coeus on March 29, 2021, 12:13:42 AMYea.I ususally see some Chinese users on there say 180cm is short and nowadays 190cm is just so-so.I dunno why they are apt to boasting Chinese average heights as if they could make earnings 
Haha anyone in China who says 180cm is short and 190cm is mediocre is trolling imo. With that said, I'm sure seeing people talk like that isn't very good for the mental health of youngsters in a society that obsesses over height though.
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