Could you guys handle living in Northern Europe?

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In Australia it's lucky that there are plenty of Asian diaspora, and for America there are plenty of hispanics + asians living there.

Now imagine Northern Europe where the average is much higher than America, and most people have blond hair and coloured eyes. Except Britain, I think I'd feel suicidal everyday if I had to live in Scandinavia or Germany because of the amount of discrimination I'll face for being much shorter than average and furthermore everyone will have superior looks apart from height.

Personally I wouldn't be able to handle it.

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Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on March 10, 2022, 02:28:15 AMYes.  I was planning to move to Finland but with Vlad the Impaler Jr. threatening them now, I'll be staying well within the U.S. military's home territory.  I was planning to get an additional femur LL to fit in better up there but now those plans are scrapped as well.

I think it becomes more comfortable after 173cm in Germany and in Netherlands + Scandinavia after 175cm it will feel more comfortable, still short over there but nonetheless liveable. Ideal is being 1 inch above average of course.

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Quote from: Sorcerer on March 20, 2022, 07:31:46 AMI think taxes in America are also much too? But European countries are not heightism as USA is as I heard LOL. Maybe that can offset the detriments of being at your height there.

Not quite, but you will be paying a lot for car insurance and medical insurance which would probably result to similar amounts if you just paid taxes in Europe.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 23, 2022, 04:22:04 PMActually, regarding taxes you're both correct as neither side is strictly better. If you're a highly skilled professional then it's way better to live in the US, but if you're not then it's way better to live in (north or west) Europe. If you're a business owner or wealthy individual then this comparison doesn't really matter.

Unskilled Workers
Working in the restaurant or hospitality industry, factory workers, etc.
Minimum Wage: Much higher in Europe than the US.
Taxes: Low in both US and Europe.
Benefits: Europeans have healthcare, paid leave, free public uni, etc. covered by taxpayers. US workers get nothing unless they qualify for welfare/Medicaid.

Skilled Workers
Electricians, plumbers, other trades.
In the US these make a decent income and have job security and good benefits.
I don't know anything about this kind of work in Europe though, so someone else can fill in.

Average Professional
This includes non-CS engineers, accountants, teachers, etc.
Salary: Similar in the US and Europe
Taxes: Slightly higher in Europe
Benefits: As mentioned above, it's better in Europe. US companies provide partial medical coverage for these workers and some basic retirement benefits, but that's about it. People under age 65 at this income level get no benefits from taxes paid either.

Highly-skilled Professional
This includes SDE, IB, traders, doctors, consultants.. basically tech/finance careers in T1 cities with bonus-driven comp.
Total compensation: 3-5x higher in the US
Taxes: Higher in the US, but net income is still much higher than in Europe
Benefits: Better in the US. Europeans get health coverage, pension, paid leave, parental leave, etc. through taxpayers, but Americans get even more through their employer like free top tier health/disability/life coverage, much better retirement benefits, tuition at top business schools covered, RSUs/profit sharing, ESPPs, plenty of vacation time, etc.

The smart move is to get a high paying remote job in the US and live somewhere else. Geo-arbitrage and digital nomading is the way to go!

Taxes higher in America than Europe for Highly-Skilled individuals? I thought it was the opposite, some states have much lower taxes like Florida and Washington since they don't pay the state government tax not to mention the Seattle area is a hotspot for the CS field. Do you know the range for vacation time received for those that work CS roles in the US?

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Quote from: Sorcerer on March 24, 2022, 02:40:27 AMSpeaking of which, though European average heights are taller than the US, but US's heightism, as I heard, is obviously more severe than that in Europe for some reasons that I don't know.
I think that's bc US's society is filled with competitions(not involutions. They are essentially 2 different things)so I think that's the real reason.
I am very new to the American economy but I am planning to work as a CS programmer in the US so I am curious about tax topic.
For the range of vacation time, I think in the US it's also common for programmers to work over time?

The competition part causing heightism in US makes sense. US is the most innovative country on earth and the reason being is the large amount of competition in every aspect of life (and this includes height).

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Quote from: Sorcerer on March 25, 2022, 04:34:01 AMI still don't get it. Why since he was recruited in Google and then turned to Tencent?

More pay and higher role probably

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Quote from: Highest on March 25, 2022, 10:33:44 AMWrong. Europeans are taller because the women selected for it. See the Dutch. Heightism is everywhere. You have a fantasy that things will be different if you leave China but it won't.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/378899/dutch-men-are-the-tallest-in-the-world-because-thats-what-dutch-women-prefer/amp/

The reason why US average height is lower than Western Europe and Scandinavia is because short women take tall guys which poisons the gene pool and causes a risk for short children. Furthermore more non-white population. Whereas when 5'5 women and 5'5 man have babies there's a very strong chance the baby will be 5'9+, I know it's anecdotal evidence but I've seen this everywhere, similar heighted couples almost always produced decent heighted children.

Also yeah, heightism is everywhere and leaving China won't let you escape that.

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Quote from: Sorcerer on March 25, 2022, 12:01:10 PMThe reason why those couples with similar heights can have decentheighted children is that females in those couples u r referring to are all not short
Assuming a couple of  5'5 wife and 6' husband versus a couple of 5'5 wife and 5'5 husband over how tall their sons will be genetically of course the latter has more probabilities to win this game.

You mean the former will win? I think the game goes like this. Left being the best

Tall Man, Tall Woman > Tall Woman, Short Man (Both same height) > Tall Man, Short Woman > Short Man, Short Woman