New users considering Monegal should check this. Back in 2016 some people claimed Lluser was a troll and he was banned. Then Cooper showed the truth to everybody. Check from 24th march 2016.
- Cooper’s diary FROM 24th march 2016:
- http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=2454.124
You should check this too:
- Doctors or salesmen? Cases of dishonesty in LL http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=2954.0
- Monegal debate http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4321.msg66939#msg66939
- Do some doctors threaten or intimidate you if you write a diary? http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3788.msg58005#msg58005
There are more threads.
People said LLuser was a troll but he wasn’t. He was telling the truth the same as Cooper. Dr Monegal is really fortunate. Most users here call US TROLLS even if we aren’t, and his worst case doesn’t want to open her mouth as Unicorn did, but I can assure you as far as many of us know the case is bad enough for him to have his license revoked. You can't get out from cases like this unscathed (unless the victim driven by Stockholm syndrome decides not to denounce).
Dr Alex Monegal (Barcelona, Spain) Clinica Diagonal
It's obvious that Datum, although never a patient of Monegal has an axe to grind. He posts all over the forum claiming he is just warning others about Monegal but has no first hand knowledge. Someone this obsessed with ruining someone reputation, with no personal experience, is obviously trolling.
I considered both Monegal and Paley. Paley's office is very close to where I live but I also though it might be better to go though this experience away from family and friends. Although, the cost was significantly less with Monegal, cost itself was not a big driver for me. I can understand how cost can be a deciding factor, just keep in mind how specialized this type of surgery is and choose carefully.
Monegal did discuss with me a certain complication that did arise with one patient without me even prodding him to do so; the fact that neither the doctor or patient lost faith in each other was a big plus for me; a very different experience than Unicorn's. I was aware of Coopers unfortunate demise. Perhaps if Cooper would have followed the protocol and not left Barcelona much earlier that he was suppose to leave, then perhaps his issue could have corrected before it got worse once he returned home; just speculation on my part; but following the doctors orders is obviously important.
My feeling is that any experienced doctor has or will be up against a complication at one time or another; its not a matter of if but of when. It's how the doctor behaves after the fact that determines if they are a good doctor or not.
It's not that I have the qualifications to claim that Dr. Monegal is an exceptional surgeon; but I do feel comfortable is stating that he is certainly competent and goes out of his way in caring for his patients.
Quote from: Datum on August 27, 2017, 12:57:49 AMPeople said LLuser was a troll but he wasn’t. He was telling the truth the same as Cooper. Dr Monegal is really fortunate. Most users here call US TROLLS even if we aren’t, and his worst case doesn’t want to open her mouth as Unicorn did, but I can assure you as far as many of us know the case is bad enough for him to have his license revoked. You can't get out from cases like this unscathed (unless the victim driven by Stockholm syndrome decides not to denounce).
As an external reader I will provide my own opinion.
Sincerely i don't see any reason that would involve LLuser,Datum,newpatient or others to attempt to destroy Monegal's carrier.Surely they are not promoving other surgeons,so it's not a competition between other suergeons.I thinks they are trying to make people to think upon all strange things that happened with Musicmaker,Cooper and others.
Honestly,as other users said, I personally find strage the behaviour of Auron,Four Inch,hellodream and other Monegal's patients: you are always attempting to strongly defend this doctor in every thread.
Statements like "he is the best in the world","amazing doctor","the best choice for cosmetic ll" ,"I love him" make people suspicious.
If I would manage to achieve a succesfull operation I cleraly would be very happy.But I would never say that my doctor "is the best in the world" or "i fall in love with him".Because I will never know how good are the oders doctors.
However if you all guys had good surgeries with this doctor,better for you
This was my opinion
The Dreamer
Quote from: The Dreamer on August 27, 2017, 11:41:54 AMSincerely i don't see any reason that would involve LLuser,Datum,newpatient or others to attempt to destroy Monegal's carrier.
Don't you realize that all those usernames are actually the same person?
And isn't that behavior (creating multiple usernames to "support" your own arguments) a hint that he is a mentally unstable person who should not be taken seriously?
Quote from: Ozymandias on August 27, 2017, 01:15:50 PMDon't you realize that all those usernames are actually the same person?
And isn't that behavior (creating multiple usernames to "support" your own arguments) a hint that he is a mentally unstable person who should not be taken seriously?
The troll creates multiple accounts, but don't forget some Monegal patients have mental problems and do the same. Recently it was demonstrated that Neverland and Summerbreeze are the same person with different accounts created to support herself and her dumb opinions (because they aren't supported by anyone else in this forum), and also to create drama using other people's tragedies. I don't like the troll but the troll may have a reason to post (vendetta after what he thinks it's a failed surgery). This Neverland user disturbs Monegal patients and creates drama in the forum even before surgery and that's more a hint of mental unstability.
Quote from: Four Inch on August 27, 2017, 09:52:39 AM
Monegal did discuss with me a certain complication that did arise with one patient without me even prodding him to do so; the fact that neither the doctor or patient lost faith in each other was a big plus for me; a very different experience than Unicorn's. I was aware of Coopers unfortunate demise. Perhaps if Cooper would have followed the protocol and not left Barcelona much earlier that he was suppose to leave, then perhaps his issue could have corrected before it got worse once he returned home; just speculation on my part; but following the doctors orders is obviously important.
He did it because he was aware you were reading the forum but he used to lie a lot about this famous case. Back in 2015 this patient had had a dizaine of surgeries and he was dishonest enough to tell prospective patients that he had had no complications at all (read Lluser thread). He also lied in this forum about the causes of complications and new complications encountered by this patient and others.
About Cooper, PLEASE. The doctor himself told Cooper he could leave if he wanted in 1 month because he was doing 2 stages. Don't blame Cooper because he did what Dr Monegal told him and many people here can confirm this. Most people who did 2 stages came back home in 4/7 days (Paco1, Musicmaker, Yagen...). Cooper stayed in Barcelona for 3/4 weeks at least. Why do you lie?
Quote from: Datum on August 27, 2017, 06:20:39 PMWhy do you lie?
You're the only one lying here, get lost 
Quote from: Datum on August 27, 2017, 06:20:39 PMWhy do you lie?
It is my understanding that Cooper left the second week after surgery rather than staying at the MICs for a full month. Others that were at MICs at the same time as Cooper that can certainly confirm. Monegal, was insistent that I stay a minimum of 5 weeks, one week in the clinic and 4 weeks at MICs, he preferred that I stay even longer.
Just to be clear, I certainly don't know that Coopers outcome would have been different;I was just surprised when I was told he left early and that Monegal did not even know that he had returned home until later.
Quote from: The Dreamer on August 27, 2017, 11:41:54 AMAs an external reader I will provide my own opinion.
Sincerely i don't see any reason that would involve LLuser,Datum,newpatient or others to attempt to destroy Monegal's carrier.Surely they are not promoving other surgeons,so it's not a competition between other suergeons.I thinks they are trying to make people to think upon all strange things that happened with Musicmaker,Cooper and others.
Honestly,as other users said, I personally find strage the behaviour of Auron,Four Inch,hellodream and other Monegal's patients: you are always attempting to strongly defend this doctor in every thread.
Dreamer, I understand your perception. However, you will likely understand our defensiveness after you go through the procedure - if you decide to do so in the future.
I went in to this thinking of Dr. Monegal as my doctor, nothing more. However, I did build somewhat of an unintentional bond with Dr. Monegal. This is risky cosmetic surgery and you are giving your full and undivided trust to your doctor. You are hoping for an outcome that will improve your quality of life but know that the end result could be catastrophic. When you place yourself into such a vulnerable situation and have a positive outcome it creates intense excitement and happiness; one is naturally very grateful to their doctor (and lady luck).
Datum was never a patient of Monegals, yet the majority of Datums posts just echo what he has stated time and time and time again throughout the forum about Monegal. Do you really think that he is expending all his targeted energy and time to warn others? I think not.
Quote from: Four Inch on August 28, 2017, 07:03:00 AMIt is my understanding that Cooper left the second week after surgery rather than staying at the MICs for a full month. Others that were at MICs at the same time as Cooper that can certainly confirm. Monegal, was insistent that I stay a minimum of 5 weeks, one week in the clinic and 4 weeks at MICs, he preferred that I stay even longer.
Just to be clear, I certainly don't know that Coopers outcome would have been different;I was just surprised when I was told he left early and that Monegal did not even know that he had returned home until later.
You never met Cooper so you don't know if you were lied as everyone else. It doesn't make sense. Cooper was doing 2 stages and the doctor allowed him to leave as soon as he wanted as he did with Paco1, Musicmaker and Yagen and other people not in the forum. You can't talk about Cooper because you only have the doctor's manipulated version of the story. People need to know the truth.
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