Dr Augustin Betz (Neunkirchen, Germany) The Betz Institute

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these are good questions

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Quote from: MAN-OF-STEEL on July 28, 2014, 04:07:43 AMthese are good questions

Yes, the questions are good and should be easy to answer unless the doctor has something to hide.

There are other questions he has not answered either:
Quote from: drew on February 28, 2014, 08:40:33 PMDr. Betz:

Please allow me to ask you a question that concerns me about internal lengthening. . .

What is the rate of compartment syndrome if you had any at all?

From your point of view what is the best way to minimize this complications from happening?

Also, could internal lengthening have a higher risk for compartment syndrome rather than external?

thank you
Quote from: rickybobby on February 28, 2014, 09:00:02 PMDr. betz,

Thank you for coming to this forum, I am close to making a decision and all these comments really makes me guess if you are a option.

How strong is the betzbone? Why is dr guichet only using 13mm NAILS? I have never heard of any dr. guichet patients breaking their nails, why is that? If i request a 13mm nail will you acknowledge my decision.  What is your opinion on ITB release? Why do you let patients weightbear so early?

Therefore:

Dr. Betz, if you have nothing to hide, please answer my 5 questions :
Quote from: hanshi on June 29, 2014, 08:33:46 PM
a) Could you please explain the difference between full weight bearing and maximum weight bearing?

b) Are there any limitations in the weight bearing capacity of your system with regard to body weight?

c) Is the weight bearing capacity different between 11 and 13 mm nails? If yes, how much?

d) How much activity would be considered too much?

e) Except for too much activity and maximum weight bearing, what other reasons could there be for nails or screws breaking?





as well as those other questions.

Thank you in advance.

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Hanshi, your style of conversation suggests you have trust issues. Nader is simply interpreting the facts for you. Furthermore, you're nit picking at his response. This is unprofessional, immature and uh instructive. If you are considering Dr Betz then make an appointment and see him (like I did) and you can get all the clarification you need. The numbers you seek are available, I'm just guessing Nader has chosen a style of answering that isn't suited to what you want to hear - this doesn't make somebody a liar.

How many docs have you met? This is what you should be doing, you cannot make any decisions at all from Internet forum conversations,

Quote from: hanshi on August 23, 2014, 08:17:38 PMYes, the questions are good and should be easy to answer unless the doctor has something to hide.

There are other questions he has not answered either:
Therefore:

Dr. Betz, if you have nothing to hide, please answer my 5 questions :


as well as those other questions.

Thank you in advance.

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Hello Moderators,

could you please move gettingtaller's post to the following thread:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=736.msg12149#msg12149

there i might answer.

Gettingtaller is trying to interrupt the discussion here by starting an argument, which is clearly trolling behaviour .

Thank you in advance.

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My apologies if you think I'm trolling but I beg to differ.
Your questions are reasonable but  your style of conversation is not constructive and occasionally comes across rude. All in my humble opinion of course.

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Dear hanshi,
I am really sorry for not being able to answer your questions the way you prefer it. You seem to have problems with my answering stile that's why I would suggest that you make an appointment with our office thus you Prof. Betz and I can sit together and clarify everything.
Nice regards
Nader Maai

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Quote from: GP203 on September 07, 2014, 07:04:40 AMDear hanshi,
I am really sorry for not being able to answer your questions the way you prefer it. You seem to have problems with my answering stile that's why I would suggest that you make an appointment with our office thus you Prof. Betz and I can sit together and clarify everything.
Nice regards
Nader Maai

I have no problem with your "answering style". You simply didn't answer my questions but just tried to deflect them.  But that's your problem, not mine.
Nobody forced Dr. Betz or you to come to this forum. But since he has come here, he hardly answered any critical questions. From your reaction here it is now more than obvious, that Dr.Betz is unwilling to answer these questions in this open forum where they would be on record. During an appointment Dr. Betz could tell me or other patients anything, it wouldn't matter since it would not be on record and therefore worthless. And why on earth do i need to have a personal consultation in order to get answers to general questions which have nothing to do with myself?
His statement is clear: his nail is fully weightbearing and if the nail breaks it is the patient's fault. However neither he nor you provide any data about the weightbearing capacity of his nail. This has nothing to do with "answering style".

Therefore i conclude: The Dr. Betz' business model relies on blaming the patients for any complications. The Betzbone nail is fully weightbearing as long as it doesn't break and as soon as it breaks the patient is to blame. In order to make this business model work data about the weightbearing capacity of the nail must not be disclosed in written form.
That's also the reason why you say there is no big difference between the 11 and 13mm nails. It doesn't matter because when it breaks it's the patient's fault no matter which nail.

If this was only about breaking nails it would just be a normal scam. However, since patients can get serious injuries in case a nail breaks, this is something much much worse!

Dr. Betz could  prove me wrong by answering my questions here in this open forum.

I have found an interesting piece of information on the old forum:
In the Dr. Betz diary from "Geheimes" he writes on January 19th 2009, after he had an additional surgery due to a complication(nail malfunction):

"Its now 1 week ago since I was operated. Thank god things are going better now. The first days was hard - specially mentally as you saw. There just was so many feelings involved.

I heard from other sources that some people reading my diary had gotten the impression that I was dead? or about to die?

I must say there is some people on this forum ether less intelligent or they just like to blow things way out of proportion. They read what they want to read. Even Dr.Betz and his staff told me that some people reading my diary was scared and had asked him if I was dead?? TAKE A CHILL PILL really who ever that was.

Things you read here in this diary isnt meant for you to go yapp about to every person you see or to start bothering Dr.Betz about. The man has to much to do as it is, and cant run about putting out fires everywhere just because some people do not understand the purpose of this diary.

To clearify to the less intelligent people.....this diary isnt meant to be a "fact", but rather a peek into the everyday life of a LL'er and all the issues that can happen. I do not like to have my Doctor tell me that I should stop posting my feelings on a diary because some people blows things out of proportion."

So here is the clear prove that Dr.Betz and his team have been aware of their patient's diaries all along(this was over 5 years ago) and even directly told patients not to write something.
This gives a possible explanation why diaries end abruptly or patients try to hide their complications (e.g. Andrewshizzles).

It is very likely some more trolls will come out to attack me. But i don't mind. The facts need to be pointed out in the interest of the community.

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Quote from: hanshi on September 07, 2014, 08:44:57 PMTherefore i conclude: The Dr. Betz' business model relies on blaming the patients for any complications. The Betzbone nail is fully weightbearing as long as it doesn't break and as soon as it breaks the patient is to blame. In order to make this business model work data about the weightbearing capacity of the nail must not be disclosed in written form.
That's also the reason why you say there is no big difference between the 11 and 13mm nails. It doesn't matter because when it breaks it's the patient's fault no matter which nail.


Couldnt agree more with this statement, poor form from Dr Betz hence why I have permanently crossed him out of my list simply for the fact that his nails bend/break and you get charged another 20,000 Eur or so more for replacements, its not just a scam its a robbery. Just goes to show how much more of a businessman he is than a caring Dr, and a seedy one at it. Sysop affiliation and numerous reports of broken nails = untrustworthy.
Greedy

Im glad there are people on here asking questions regarding the matter, I guess Im not the only one who thought about it.

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I have read all the Dr.Betz diaries on old forum  and would like to share my findings:

There are currently 38 topics under the "Dr.Betz diaries" folder. 5 of them can't be used for this analysis: David-internal femurs, S-internal tiabias, Measurements, Nctham1, and Iwill. David cancelled his surgery, Nctham is not doing cosmetic LL and the other 3 don't contain enough information.
This leaves 33 cases, which is not a small sample and quite representative since these cases cover a long time span(over 8 years).

within this sample there are 12 patients  with confirrmed complications that required additional surgery:
1. Romegas (titanium replacement in 1 leg, reason unknown)
2. Tallix (titanium replacement in 1 leg due to delayed bone healing)
3. TibAndFemur (Nail bending)
4. Stillyoung (Nail bending/breaking)
5. Geheimes (Nail malfunction, bone rebroken and nail taken out and repaired)
6. Tall (Nail bending)
7. Badboy (Nail malfunction, nail exchanged, broken screw)
8. MasterHY ( wound opened and got infected, infected tissue removed surgically)
9. T.dot (nail malfunction twice. Twice nail replacement)
10. OldieButGoldie (2 broken screws)
11. Andrewshizzles (broken nail)
12. Apotheosis tibia (broken nail and delayed/non-union)

Further there are 5 diaries which end abruptly and have a high probability that the patient got a complication:

a. Timone (complains in his last post about bad bone consolidation)
b. Torontonian (vanishes very early during his lengthening)
c. Aymahano (has a lot of problems and vanishes)
d. NoSleep (vanishes just after finished clicking, was the 1st patient to use the new 11mm Betzbone)
e. DcLongFemurs (vanishes after finishing clicking, also has the 11mm Betzbone)

Are the others without complication? For my calculation i will assume so, but of course we cannot be 100% sure since we know that Other patients have tried to hide their complications. What's worth mentioning is that Lucky did have a nail malfunction. However she chose to stop lengthening at that point and therefore didn't undergo additional surgery. But she didn't reach her goal.
Also important is the vanishing of MasterHY. He had already a complication, but from his diary it is obvious that he has had a lot more problems. In my opinion he could very well have a dangerous bone infection.

Anyhow, due to the analysis we come to the following result:

Complication rate for Dr. Betz patients in our sample is between 36% and 52%. 36% is the best case scenario, 52% is the scenario where the 5 abruptly ending diaries all have had complications.
The real figure probably lies between both numbers in case some of those 5 didn't have complications.

I would recommend to read those diaries with open eyes. I have found some interesting information which seems to characterize Dr. Betz quite well. I will write about this at a later time.

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hanshi

good work hanshi, clearly good questions. but 1 piece of advice.

when someone is going to lie (such as bets) and you know they are going to lie. you should limit yourself to like the 2 most important questions, and then wait till they answer those to ask more.

1)
BETS I DEMAND TO KNOW the weight capacity of BOTH THE 11MM AND 13 MM NAILS. I demand the specs.
I bet they cant answer, (and physics dictates that the strength of 11mm and 13mm is not the same)

2)
my second question bets: you know what. don't even worry about a second question.   the above question is  A CLEAR CUT NUMBERS RESPONCE! ITS NOT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION, I DONT WANT AN ESSAY. !! I WANT A NUMBER FOR EACH NAIL.


if you cant answer a simple question then your trying to deceive people bets.