Educating myself on CLL and deciding whether to undergo the surgery.

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Please, don't say how we must feel about or bodies.

I don't like my height just because I don't like it. This is not a mental disorder, is simply that I don't like it, so please, deal with it.

Mental disorder is saying other people how they have to feel. If you like your body height, congratulations, but your case is not my case, so If I undergo CLL, don't call me "mental disorder", so please stop trolling us.

I don't want to do this for getting more girls, I want it because I want to be like other people that I know, I want to have a body like them, not like mine. If you don't understand that, OK, but please, don't call it mental disorder, because it is only how I feel.

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Yeah that's absolutely right, safety > height always. We need to have a rational goal and eventually somewhere acceptance does have to come into play because most of us aren't and can't be 6'4" so just being grateful for the availability of the extra boost while minding safety and then just acceptance is the right move. Seeking unrealistic expectations will just ruin your mental and physical state and is very counter productive. If I was 5'2" I'd probably be content at reaching my current height, it's more seeking a change of perspective and overriding height disadvantages as much as possible.

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@Polvoron You have height neurosis, it's a mental disorder but that literally doesn't imply negativity or extremity either. It's not a big deal to have a mental disorder.

Almost everyone suffers or has suffered from some degree of depression, a clinical mental disorder. That doesn't make you less of a person, definitely not.

Polvoron if you actually read the posts in this thread that I made, you would know I am in full support of you, and others. This is a neurosis, it's not a big full-blown mental disorder, but it is one. Doesn't make you crazy or anything, some people do have much bigger issues but you are not one of them. You are neurotic. Literally 99% of people are neurotic about something.

This is just semantics mostly, you know I'm definitely not trashing you or even remotely implying you're actually "mentally crazy", so if it makes you happier that I use the term "insecurity" instead of mental disorder, then I will do so and not refer this as a mental disorder. My apologies.

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A mental disorder, also called a mental illness[2] or psychiatric disorder, is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.[3] Such features may be persistent, relapsing and remitting, or occur as a single episode. Many disorders have been described, with signs and symptoms that vary widely between specific disorders.[4][5] Such disorders may be diagnosed by a mental health professional.

Doesn't fit height neurosis? Euphemising it is a bit pointless, anything problematic and deviating from "the norm" is called a disorder although we should keep in mind  that we can't just consider the norm since the possibilities are excessively too wide.

You're 5ft 8, not too short, most at your height would be fine, yet you speak of "not being happy" about it and going such extreme measures to change it, that clearly means height neurosis and proves that it is some sort of distressing mental pattern. Hence obviously height neurosis is a mental illness.

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Hey guys. Thanks for all the messages in this thread! I see you have a little debate going on lol. Feel free to keep it going here if you like though you may be better starting a new thread for this discussion, that way both your debate and any information I post here aren’t getting in the way of each other.

I decided to start researching stretching/exercising first. Flexibility, health and fitness is something which can take time to develop so it seems like the logical starting point.

My main takeaways thus far:

It looks like many of the doctors are sceptical on the benefits of stretching prior to surgery, though the PT’s seem to be optimistic on how it helps recovery.

Dr. Paley’s FAQ includes a few exercises focusing on IT band, quad + hamstring stretching. Therefore I’ll be mixing up various exercises on youtube focusing on overall leg flexibility and specific exercises for these areas.

Overly developed muscles could be a hindrance when it comes to soft tissue lengthening.

I’ve previously kept myself in reasonable shape, solid diet, regular exercise, no smoking, limited alcohol consumption and I have above average natural flexibility. Though how everything plays out in surgery and recovery seems a little random.

I find myself talking like I’m already getting the surgery when in reality I’m completely undecided, but for pre surgery prep it almost makes sense to take that approach.

It’s interesting going through the threads on this forum and finding so many people who share similar experiences and emotions regarding their height. It feels a little like a brotherhood on here.

What I’m going to be focusing on next:

Fat embolism and other complications.

I found a discussion on a thread that stated the chances of developing fat embolism is around 2% and the chance of death from fat embolism is 20%, meaning the total chance of death from fat embolism during the procedure is 0.4%.

From previous research I’d found the chance of death if you get fat embolism is 10% which would make it 0.2% overall. I’ve also read that low body fat % can decrease this – I’m going to look into this further and find as much data as possible and try come out with the most accurate result possible.

It seems some people here accept the additional obstacles in the way of the vertically challenged, I am one of those people. We have to work harder to compete. In light of that I was already going from “keeping myself in reasonable shape” to getting in excellent shape.

I’m currently in the middle of a cut to a low body fat %, flat stomach and somewhat visible abs already achieved. I was intending to start a slow lean bulk from this point, though the Covid-19 outbreak is extending my cut due to no gym access. I still intend to start that ASAP though I will likely focus on higher reps on legs days to improve stamina rather than focusing on leg hypertrophy (though additional research could prove me wrong this seems like the best thing for CLL recovery), I’m also going to keep my body fat % as low possible during the bulk.

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Paley doesn't believe in stretching pre-surgery, but that's referring to short term (a month pre-op). If you stretch actively for a year or even your whole life, you will undoubtedly reap the rewards for being a more flexible person in general. Physical Therapy is essentially mandatory for recovery though! Better PT = better recovery, it's the biggest factor of your recovery.

Fat embolism has occured on 2 patients for Paley, I believe. They were not put into the ICU but just given oxygen and they recovered.

There was a fat embolism death for Guthrie, the guy didn't have someone watching over him and he died alone after calling his father. It was like a week after his operation. This is why many people often consider a 24/7 aide in their hotel room post-op for like 2 weeks or something, just making sure they can watch over the patient in case anything happens.

I'm sure you know this but don't cut WHILE LL'ing, you gotta eat alot. Cutting before op, no idea, need to research more

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Quote from: Scarface on April 13, 2020, 02:31:05 PMA mental disorder, also called a mental illness[2] or psychiatric disorder, is a behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.[3] Such features may be persistent, relapsing and remitting, or occur as a single episode. Many disorders have been described, with signs and symptoms that vary widely between specific disorders.[4][5] Such disorders may be diagnosed by a mental health professional.

Doesn't fit height neurosis? Euphemising it is a bit pointless, anything problematic and deviating from "the norm" is called a disorder although we should keep in mind  that we can't just consider the norm since the possibilities are excessively too wide.

You're 5ft 8, not too short, most at your height would be fine, yet you speak of "not being happy" about it and going such extreme measures to change it, that clearly means height neurosis and proves that it is some sort of distressing mental pattern. Hence obviously height neurosis is a mental illness.

Quote from: ghkid2019 on April 13, 2020, 02:26:56 PM@Polvoron You have height neurosis, it's a mental disorder but that literally doesn't imply negativity or extremity either. It's not a big deal to have a mental disorder.

Almost everyone suffers or has suffered from some degree of depression, a clinical mental disorder. That doesn't make you less of a person, definitely not.

Polvoron if you actually read the posts in this thread that I made, you would know I am in full support of you, and others. This is a neurosis, it's not a big full-blown mental disorder, but it is one. Doesn't make you crazy or anything, some people do have much bigger issues but you are not one of them. You are neurotic. Literally 99% of people are neurotic about something.

This is just semantics mostly, you know I'm definitely not trashing you or even remotely implying you're actually "mentally crazy", so if it makes you happier that I use the term "insecurity" instead of mental disorder, then I will do so and not refer this as a mental disorder. My apologies.

Please, don't talk about my mind if you don't know me. Having my own point of view about my body, about my life and about society doesn't mean a mental disorder.

I want to have a body like other friends that I have. This is a problem for you? It's my body, my life, not yours, so please, don't talk about my mental health, because you know almost nothing about me.

I don't care about how do you see 5'8'', I care about that I DON'T LIKE IT, my taste matters, your taste not, because It is my body, my life, my money... not yours, so please, don't call "mental disorder", accept that not everyone have to be happy with the body that they get at birth.

You are not living in my body, don't tell me about how I have to feel.

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There's an obvious language barrier here. This is arguing semantics. You don't understand what either of us are saying. We support you 100%. Nothing wrong with wanting to change something you dislike about yourself. Sadly that's the definition of a neurosis, regardless of how you feel. Facts don't care about your feelings -Ben Shapiro (jk haha)



Anyways, done arguing. There's a language barrier here, don't think English is your first language. If it is then there's an IQ gap here no offense.

Again, there is nothing wrong with wanting to change your height. There's nothing wrong with disliking your own body. But that's literally feeling unhappy about your own body.

Unhappy = dysphoria

Aka body dysmorphia disorder. It's a definition. That's all.

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Hey ghkid2019 do u think an height to inseam ratio of 49.86%(inseam=35.5inches) at 181.5cm height will be okay or will it look too weird..for an idea check out thai american singer nickhun..he has nearly the same stats with 180cm height tough..plz reply ty

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Should be fine.