Fat embolism

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Hey is too much time,¿ do you think it afgects the liver? If so I guess we need to tale so liver protectors not sure if anyone knows

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Quote from: Hagane on April 12, 2023, 11:34:07 PMi just wanna correct you here, because your statement dosnt sit right with me

technically all surgeries are "invasive"
however,  the techniques used in LL would be considered minimally invasive.
this is becuase it means its not an OPEN surgery
minimally invasive just means smaller incisions as opposed to a large incision used in open approach.

even in a tibial LL procedure. while the nailing can go through the patella, it doesnt involve opening the the joint.

i would argue that abdominal plasties and BBLL's are for more invasive.

Just wanted to correct you here.

Any forms of LL are invasive. But that doesn't mean that pure external tibia ll is as invasive as internal femur ll.

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Quote from: Rockstarz5 on April 13, 2023, 02:53:35 AMHey is too much time,¿ do you think it afgects the liver? If so I guess we need to tale so liver protectors not sure if anyone knows

No, it’s a pretty common drug some people have to take for life. It doesn’t hurt your liver with the prescribed dosage the doctors give. They’re not idiots that’s going to prescribe you something to give you liver failure

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Quote from: kamaruusman on April 13, 2023, 08:45:30 AMJust wanted to correct you here.

Any forms of LL are invasive. But that doesn't mean that pure external tibia ll is as invasive as internal femur ll.

i dont think you understand what im getting at
both internal and external are still considered "minimallly invasive" surgeries.
the reason why is because it only involves small incisions that the surgeon works around
i belive you guys think its more "invasive" because it involves intermedullary nailing. inserting a nail in itself is not invasive.
if you had to cut open the hip joint in order to insert a nail, then that would be invasive.



this is the precice femur procedure


here is a pure external tibia

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Quote from: Hagane on April 13, 2023, 06:24:03 PMi dont think you understand what im getting at
both internal and external are still considered "minimallly invasive" surgeries.
the reason why is because it only involves small incisions that the surgeon works around
i belive you guys think its more "invasive" because it involves intermedullary nailing. inserting a nail in itself is not invasive.
if you had to cut open the hip joint in order to insert a nail, then that would be invasive.



this is the precice femur procedure


here is a pure external tibia

Internal nailing is definitely more invasive.

External involves only breaking the bones, internal nailing involves not only breaking the bones but also drilling inside them. So it's not a rocket science. If you ask any LL doctors, they all will tell you what I'm telling you.

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Quote from: kamaruusman on April 13, 2023, 07:02:30 PMInternal nailing is definitely more invasive.

External involves only breaking the bones, internal nailing involves not only breaking the bones but also drilling inside them. So it's not a rocket science. If you ask any LL doctors, they all will tell you what I'm telling you.

k man
believe what you wanna believe
but at the end of the day i still stand by the statement that intermedulllary nailing is considered minimally invasive

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I mean anyone that thinks internal nails is more invasive of a surgery than external fixators can just be ignored lol. What a waste of time to even explain. Having an open wound for access into your bone for months is less invasive than 4 1/4 incisions on each of your legs? K buddy

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Quote from: Hagane on April 12, 2023, 11:34:07 PMi just wanna correct you here, because your statement dosnt sit right with me

technically all surgeries are "invasive"
however,  the techniques used in LL would be considered minimally invasive.
this is becuase it means its not an OPEN surgery
minimally invasive just means smaller incisions as opposed to a large incision used in open approach.

even in a tibial LL procedure. while the nailing can go through the patella, it doesnt involve opening the the joint.

i would argue that abdominal plasties and BBLL's are for more invasive.

Breaking a bone and riming it to put an internal nail in it is of course a very invasive surgery.
Externals is less invasive and by far less risky, but internal LL has many risks with the most dangerous being the one we discuss here, fat embolism. A non invasive surgery can't cause embolism nor needs anticoagulants for months.
Whatever you believe, LL is by no means a minimally invasive surgery. It is the most invasive cosmetic surgery by far and a generally invasive orthopaedic surgery.

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Quote from: ballsackoffury123 on April 13, 2023, 01:28:20 AMI think there are corelation but yeah you're right, i thought you meant pulmonary embolism. This is from google
"While blood clots are far more likely to cause pulmonary embolism, fat embolisms can still cause pulmonary embolisms, too (which are life-threatening medical emergencies). Fat embolism syndrome also causes problems with breathing even when it doesn't cause a pulmonary embolism"

yes Xarelto is for blood clotting, making sure it clots doesnt go up ur bloodstream and into your lungs causing death. and it MUST be taken for like almost 4-5 months EVERY DAY post surgery. Stuff costs like $546 fora 30 day supply, but there are coupons online to buy it for $10. DM me how

Ok so even if a fat embolism can cause a pulmonary embolism, the Xarelto in itself is only for the Pulmonary embolism and not for the fat embolism?
So I just do the surgery and hope for the best in regards of fat embolism? I cannot do anything to reduce my chances of that?

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Quote from: oeioei2 on April 14, 2023, 06:32:45 AMOk so even if a fat embolism can cause a pulmonary embolism, the Xarelto in itself is only for the Pulmonary embolism and not for the fat embolism?
So I just do the surgery and hope for the best in regards of fat embolism? I cannot do anything to reduce my chances of that?

The reason for fat embolism syndrom (FES) is the crossing of fat particles from the medullary cavity into the bloodstream during the reaming process. These particles might cause serious blockage of certain arteries in the lung, heart or brain.

In my opinion, a good surgeon who uses right reaming and venting technique can reduce the risk of FES. Otherwise, you can do unilateral lengthening which reduces FES by 50%.