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Quote from: Body Builder on October 11, 2017, 09:01:38 AMThats the truth.
I had plenty of girls, maybe 2-3 more than the average man and the hottest of them was even before I did LL.
Some people would said that if a short man could have a girl like that then height does not matter. But the thing that you could have a nice girl does not change that women see short men as inferior. If someone is ok to find a woman and stay with her all of his life, not because she is his other half but because he knows that with his appearance he is not able to find something similar, then he would stay with her and live a "happy" life.
I always wanted to have chances and never feel that a very pretty girl is out of my league only because I was short.
So now I feel ok with myself and even I am not tall I don't look inferior aesthetically to the majority of women as I have a respectable height, a nice face and a very built body. But still most of women won't feel as excited they would with a man with my face and my muscles but tall.
And I want to live that feeling, to make women feel tiny and protected in front of you.

So even short men could find girls.
But not with the frequency that tall men do and most of the times they won't be as excited as with being with a man with a big body.
That's unfortunately the female nature and even an almost average height man like me with 48cm arms can't get past it as still women say that I am good but I would be excellent If I was 1.80 (about 5 cm more).

The main problem is that below 5'9 you will stand out in a bad way. It is very rare for a short person to climb the corporate ladder, but there have been short self made billionaires like Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos

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Quote from: Body Builder on October 11, 2017, 09:01:38 AMThats the truth.
I had plenty of girls, maybe 2-3 more than the average man and the hottest of them was even before I did LL.
Some people would said that if a short man could have a girl like that then height does not matter. But the thing that you could have a nice girl does not change that women see short men as inferior. If someone is ok to find a woman and stay with her all of his life, not because she is his other half but because he knows that with his appearance he is not able to find something similar, then he would stay with her and live a "happy" life.
I always wanted to have chances and never feel that a very pretty girl is out of my league only because I was short.
So now I feel ok with myself and even I am not tall I don't look inferior aesthetically to the majority of women as I have a respectable height, a nice face and a very built body. But still most of women won't feel as excited they would with a man with my face and my muscles but tall.
And I want to live that feeling, to make women feel tiny and protected in front of you.

So even short men could find girls.
But not with the frequency that tall men do and most of the times they won't be as excited as with being with a man with a big body.
That's unfortunately the female nature and even an almost average height man like me with 48cm arms can't get past it as still women say that I am good but I would be excellent If I was 1.80 (about 5 cm more).

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Quote from: Body Builder on October 11, 2017, 09:01:38 AMAnd I want to live that feeling, to make women feel tiny and protected in front of you.

Well, I don't. But that's okay, to each his own.

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Quote from: Body Builder on October 11, 2017, 09:01:38 AMThats the truth.
I had plenty of girls, maybe 2-3 more than the average man and the hottest of them was even before I did LL.
Some people would said that if a short man could have a girl like that then height does not matter. But the thing that you could have a nice girl does not change that women see short men as inferior. If someone is ok to find a woman and stay with her all of his life, not because she is his other half but because he knows that with his appearance he is not able to find something similar, then he would stay with her and live a "happy" life.
I always wanted to have chances and never feel that a very pretty girl is out of my league only because I was short.
So now I feel ok with myself and even I am not tall I don't look inferior aesthetically to the majority of women as I have a respectable height, a nice face and a very built body. But still most of women won't feel as excited they would with a man with my face and my muscles but tall.
And I want to live that feeling, to make women feel tiny and protected in front of you.

So even short men could find girls.
But not with the frequency that tall men do and most of the times they won't be as excited as with being with a man with a big body.
That's unfortunately the female nature and even an almost average height man like me with 48cm arms can't get past it as still women say that I am good but I would be excellent If I was 1.80 (about 5 cm more).

I've read many of your posts, and have to say that I pretty much totally agree with most of them.

I was a little over 5'5" before LL, I'm now a solid 5'8" at night (5'9" first thing in the morning). I did pretty well with women prior to LL because I have 9/10 facial aesthetics (I have been called hot/sexy/handsome/stud by many women and men lol over the years). BUT...at 5'5", I have definitely still felt inferior to my taller but less good looking friends. And my confidence wasn't what I wanted it to be. At 5'8" I'm still not tall, but the difference is like night and day and I definitely get more unsolicited attention from hot girls (and men...). 5'10" or 5'11" would be "safer" and at that height, you really wont experience any heightism, but I am totally fine at 5'8" and doing quite nicely.

BodyBuilder, do you feel you definitely need another LL? 5'9" is a great height.

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Quote from: YellowSpike on October 13, 2017, 01:01:51 PMI've read many of your posts, and have to say that I pretty much totally agree with most of them.

I was a little over 5'5" before LL, I'm now a solid 5'8" at night (5'9" first thing in the morning). I did pretty well with women prior to LL because I have 9/10 facial aesthetics (I have been called hot/sxxy/handsome/stud by many women and men lol over the years). BUT...at 5'5", I have definitely still felt inferior to my taller but less good looking friends. And my confidence wasn't what I wanted it to be. At 5'8" I'm still not tall, but the difference is like night and day and I definitely get more unsolicited attention from hot girls (and men...). 5'10" or 5'11" would be "safer" and at that height, you really wont experience any heightism, but I am totally fine at 5'8" and doing quite nicely.

BodyBuilder, do you feel you definitely need another LL? 5'9" is a great height.

Well said. And as I see we were in the same situation before LL. I had some successes with women (due to my very good face and my fit body) but I never felt equal to taller dudes who even had less successes than me. I always found the need to compensate about my short stature.

Now I don't feel that I need to compensate but still I find my height as a drawback and I feel inferior to great looking women only for that. If I were taller than average then, honestly speaking, I wouldn't felt inferior even if my girl was Candice Swanepoel or any other model. A good face, a nice height and some big muscles are more than enough to date any girl you want, in terms of looks.

So that's why I really need another LL my friend, to feel completely fulfilled with myself.
I am not a clear 5.9, I am like you, a little more than 5.9 on the morning and 5.85 at evening. If I was 5.10 at night I wouldn't consider another LL, even though I believe that heightism stop to exist even on dating at 5.11, but now I really think it worths it.
Not to feel normal, this was the reason I did my first LL, but to be completely ok with myself and never ever hear any negative comment about my height, like you are not enough tall for me or you would have been excellent if you were a little taller and all these bs.
It's a pity to still have problems because you lack 4-5 cm so with another LL I truly believe that my height problems (subjective and objective) will completely go.

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For me personally i was unlucky in the genetic lottery, im both very short and below average looking in face. So thats my biggest concern with LL, im afraid that i will put so much energy and hope with this surgery - just to find out im still unattractive in girls eyes. On the other hand, not being perceived as an "outsider" by society i suppose is good enough.

Im a very social person though so i think thats what i will have to rely on later.

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Quote from: Body Builder on October 13, 2017, 03:35:32 PMWell said. And as I see we were in the same situation before LL. I had some successes with women (due to my very good face and my fit body) but I never felt equal to taller dudes who even had less successes than me. I always found the need to compensate about my short stature.

Now I don't feel that I need to compensate but still I find my height as a drawback and I feel inferior to great looking women only for that. If I were taller than average then, honestly speaking, I wouldn't felt inferior even if my girl was Candice Swanepoel or any other model. A good face, a nice height and some big muscles are more than enough to date any girl you want, in terms of looks.

So that's why I really need another LL my friend, to feel completely fulfilled with myself.
I am not a clear 5.9, I am like you, a little more than 5.9 on the morning and 5.85 at evening. If I was 5.10 at night I wouldn't consider another LL, even though I believe that heightism stop to exist even on dating at 5.11, but now I really think it worths it.
Not to feel normal, this was the reason I did my first LL, but to be completely ok with myself and never ever hear any negative comment about my height, like you are not enough tall for me or you would have been excellent if you were a little taller and all these bs.
It's a pity to still have problems because you lack 4-5 cm so with another LL I truly believe that my height problems (subjective and objective) will completely go.

I totally get it, you're preaching to the choir my friend! I think I'm older than you (young 30s), so for me, another LL is out of the question. I have the money, and since I'm honestly doing great with women now (including a 5'9" woman who recently called me "the perfect height"...but I'm also very built, like you)...I don't feel another LL will really benefit me that much to offset the physical and financial costs. It's frustrating, because where we are at 5'8"-5'9" (I say I'm 5'9" and no one bats an eye), we're sooooo close, but not quite "totally safe" yet. But honestly for me, since I'm good looking and successful, I can work with my height now. At 5'5", it honestly didnt' matter. Even though I got girls, I still sorta hated myself. That isn't the case anymore. Thank you LL.

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Quote from: YellowSpike on October 13, 2017, 05:58:09 PMI totally get it, you're preaching to the choir my friend! I think I'm older than you (young 30s), so for me, another LL is out of the question. I have the money, and since I'm honestly doing great with women now (including a 5'9" woman who recently called me "the perfect height"...but I'm also very built, like you)...I don't feel another LL will really benefit me that much to offset the physical and financial costs. It's frustrating, because where we are at 5'8"-5'9" (I say I'm 5'9" and no one bats an eye), we're sooooo close, but not quite "totally safe" yet. But honestly for me, since I'm good looking and successful, I can work with my height now. At 5'5", it honestly didnt' matter. Even though I got girls, I still sorta hated myself. That isn't the case anymore. Thank you LL.

Yes, at our height we are in the field but our game is harder.
But at 5.5-6 and less we were not even in the game so the difference is big of course.

And yes, if you have a good appearance and much money then I don't believe that our height is a big obstacle for a successful life in all aspects.
But still I want to live without ever thinking (me and other people, especially women) about my height again and thats why I want to risk for another LL. As is said if I was a solid 5.10 and more I'd never think about it.

I wish you to continue your successful life.

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Quote from: Body Builder on October 13, 2017, 03:35:32 PMWell said. And as I see we were in the same situation before LL. I had some successes with women (due to my very good face and my fit body) but I never felt equal to taller dudes who even had less successes than me. I always found the need to compensate about my short stature.

Now I don't feel that I need to compensate but still I find my height as a drawback and I feel inferior to great looking women only for that. If I were taller than average then, honestly speaking, I wouldn't felt inferior even if my girl was Candice Swanepoel or any other model. A good face, a nice height and some big muscles are more than enough to date any girl you want, in terms of looks.

So that's why I really need another LL my friend, to feel completely fulfilled with myself.
I am not a clear 5.9, I am like you, a little more than 5.9 on the morning and 5.85 at evening. If I was 5.10 at night I wouldn't consider another LL, even though I believe that heightism stop to exist even on dating at 5.11, but now I really think it worths it.
Not to feel normal, this was the reason I did my first LL, but to be completely ok with myself and never ever hear any negative comment about my height, like you are not enough tall for me or you would have been excellent if you were a little taller and all these bs.
It's a pity to still have problems because you lack 4-5 cm so with another LL I truly believe that my height problems (subjective and objective) will completely go.

Have you decided what doctor your going to for femurs? And when do you think you'll do the surgery, are you currently saving up?

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Quote from: google42 on October 14, 2017, 01:51:06 AMHave you decided what doctor your going to for femurs? And when do you think you'll do the surgery, are you currently saving up?

Yes I am saving. And I plan to do it in the next 2 years. I haven't found the doctor yet but I am close to one-two.
But all these are offtopic.