Is 8cm Femurs a good idea?

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Quote from: LIVELIFETHEWAYIWANT on November 29, 2022, 10:34:33 PM8CM is the safe limit you can do on femur so I was told . BUT it is always about patient who wants the best result for one self .
LL can be hard on your body and mind . I flew back home around 55 mm, and took 7 days off in the last month of Distraction .

It was hard , but the extra CM might saved me from another surgery on Tibias ( seriously thinking about getting 5 CM on tibia right now .lol)

DM me your whatsapp ,  I will send some Xray of mine and maybe some walking videos if you need emotional support for your final journey .

Remember , you can stop anytime you want , IT IS OK!

As a thought experiment say you had 2 clones and each had LL surgery and the only difference in the entire process was the amount they lengthened wouldn't the one who did 6.5cm femurs have a better long term outcome compared to the 8cm one?

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Quote from: 1team on November 30, 2022, 12:18:17 AMAs a thought experiment say you had 2 clones and each had LL surgery and the only difference in the entire process was the amount they lengthened wouldn't the one who did 6.5cm femurs have a better long term outcome compared to the 8cm one?

AS I stated before , 8 CM is the safe limit for most of surgeons . beyond that will cause problems (higher chances).

when I did my first assessment with my Doctor , he told me I am below average flexible , asked me how much i want to LL , I said 8 CM would be ideal , the max . he laughed and told me I might not be able to , but we will see how it goes .

with that burden , I decided to stretch my legs from day 1 of distraction . that led to my legs are straight POST distraction . it is HARD, but doable . ( so if you do the same thing but you can not get your leg to straight after a certain point , you can not do 8 CM )

and after 7 CM , I started to have muscle pain on my left inner thigh area , ONLY WHEN I LL , that led to me taking 7 days off in 3 weeks . the pain went away after I stop LL . and the muscles are growing back , my bones are healing well .

So lets get back to your question , it is proven that if you LL less , it will be less complications , But everyone is different .
I recently heard a case about a very fit guy who got to 5 CM on femur , but the IT band got too stretched out , he had to stop LL and take another surgery to fix it .

you should LL within your physical tolerance that your body will bear , beyond your own limit will definite cause damage to your muscle , nerve , joints , bones ETC .

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anyway , watch cyborg's video and decide for yourself   

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Quote from: LIVELIFETHEWAYIWANT on November 29, 2022, 10:35:31 AMwhat makes you say that ? I had muscle pain after 7 cm , it went away soon and not coming back post consolidation . I think 8 CM would be safe for most people .

If you just finished LL , rest a lot and let the muscle grow back , you will feel a lot better two months into consolidation ! hang in there !!

I've started this "adventure" on 19th February... I start to have experience about people height. And if i can say one thing, people can make a difference of height of 5 cm. You can say if someone is 1m65 or 1m70cm, but not 1m68.5. Now when i see my femurs i see i went a little too far. That it's a little disproportionate. I hope i will get used in a future. Evenmore, the fact I lengthen my femurs, they are more straigther, and seem like a top model femurs without muscle. I really hope in the future i could gain some muscles, because right now they are like a stretched needles. It's hard to explain. Also, the advantage of lengthening less, is the amount of time. 8.5 cm took me 3 months lengthening on each leg, but this is just the fcking beginning. I had my first leg done on 19th February, and still now i am just at 50-60% of the recovery on this leg.
Maybe you are more motivated to do 8cm when it's the first leg. I promise you, you will have not the same strength for the second leg.

Quote from: SpeedDialer on November 29, 2022, 05:45:02 PMYeah I sort of wonder.. I'm at like 6.2-6.3ish cm femurs now and am planning to stop at 7cm. Its less thinking/less worrying to just stop at 7cm like you said instead of 8. I think (?) I could maybe do 8cm but I'm feeling more fearful/less motivated to go for that last cm. The risk/reward ratio for that last centimeter doesn't look that great.

Some other patients commented that I basically look almost average height now, I'm a bit shorter than the average height males we interact with (driver, some males at physiotherapy) but not by too much --so I'm unmotivated to go for that last cm

It certainly depends on the patient whether they can handle 8cm well but the thing bugging me is like 'ok right, sure, but like how do I know until its too late whether my body specifically can handle 8cm well?'  -> Range of motion and x-rays, sure but I am not sure that is foolproof. Whereas if I just stop at 7cm its like "ok well there is a pretty great chance that I can handle 7cm well, my range of motion and pain now are OK now at 6.2-6.3, there are datapoints from the past of alot of people being able to handle 6.5-7 cm well.."  And I don't have precise, I can't reverse if anything goes wrong

I mean I guess its better for the forum to encourage people to do more because it gives us more datapoints of those situations. And some people can handle 8cm just fine, I know one guy in Athens who did 8cm femurs with a different doctor in a different country and I don't see any duckass or anything

Yes stop it at 7 cm. Nobody will notice it. Even you could not make the difference. But when you will look your femur, it will look more proportionate. I promise. I made LL without saying to any person of my friends or family. Nobody has noticed it. 8.5 cm! Nobody can see I grew up! So, please, dont make the same mistake than me. Stop when it's enough. The only thing i had just in mind was money. I was like, i paid 40k€ so im gonna recover this money with the max cm.... I wish i had the experience i have now... really

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Quote from: LittleMember on December 03, 2022, 08:56:03 PMI've started this "adventure" on 19th February... I start to have experience about people height. And if i can say one thing, people can make a difference of height of 5 cm. You can say if someone is 1m65 or 1m70cm, but not 1m68.5. Now when i see my femurs i see i went a little too far. That it's a little disproportionate. I hope i will get used in a future. Evenmore, the fact I lengthen my femurs, they are more straigther, and seem like a top model femurs without muscle. I really hope in the future i could gain some muscles, because right now they are like a stretched needles. It's hard to explain. Also, the advantage of lengthening less, is the amount of time. 8.5 cm took me 3 months lengthening on each leg, but this is just the fking beginning. I had my first leg done on 19th February, and still now i am just at 50-60% of the recovery on this leg.
Maybe you are more motivated to do 8cm when it's the first leg. I promise you, you will have not the same strength for the second leg.

very sorry to hear that you have a slow recovery , I have done both femur April 2022 , after 6 and half months staying in bed , i am at 85% left , 100% right , and I can walk without crutch .

muscle issue , YES , everyone loses muscle during consolidation . it starts around last CM of LL , and it goes on during Consolidation . BUT , you gain it back after your bones are healed . I know ,because it happened to me . I was 190 lbs before surgery , then my weight went to 170 lbs post LL , right before consolidation , now my weight is 190 lbs again , I can see quad and glute growing back .

Please eat a high protein diet, your body needs nutrition to heal !

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Is the muscle loss from non-use or is it like some body response to your broken bones and inflammation?

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Quote from: lessthanavg8300 on December 04, 2022, 03:28:12 PMIs the muscle loss from non-use or is it like some body response to your broken bones and inflammation?

Your body generate muscles for your new leg. But it is a weak muscle.

Quote from: LIVELIFETHEWAYIWANT on December 04, 2022, 12:06:09 AMvery sorry to hear that you have a slow recovery , I have done both femur April 2022 , after 6 and half months staying in bed , i am at 85% left , 100% right , and I can walk without crutch .

muscle issue , YES , everyone loses muscle during consolidation . it starts around last CM of LL , and it goes on during Consolidation . BUT , you gain it back after your bones are healed . I know ,because it happened to me . I was 190 lbs before surgery , then my weight went to 170 lbs post LL , right before consolidation , now my weight is 190 lbs again , I can see quad and glute growing back .

Please eat a high protein diet, your body needs nutrition to heal !

Wow, I'm surprised you did both at the same time and you are healing faster... My doctor told me to do one after another to heal faster... How much have you lengthened? Are you following a special training program? What do you use to eat every day?

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Quote from: lessthanavg8300 on December 04, 2022, 03:28:12 PMIs the muscle loss from non-use or is it like some body response to your broken bones and inflammation?

the muscle loss is due to your body is generating new cells to heal the trauma site , which you are LL at the same time , so eating is not enough to support the regenerating .

first i lost my buttstock , i used to have a good size butt . it was all gone .. then i noticed as time went on , my thigh got thinner . then there is the weight loss due to lack of exercising . then my calve got smaller too . Size wise , I would say that most muscle from BUTT, about 40% from thigh , 20% from calves.

I ate a lot , 4 meals a day post OP.. still lost muscle , just have to gain it back with hard work XD

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Quote from: LittleMember on December 04, 2022, 04:34:37 PMYour body generate muscles for your new leg. But it is a weak muscle.
Wow, I'm surprised you did both at the same time and you are healing faster... My doctor told me to do one after another to heal faster... How much have you lengthened? Are you following a special training program? What do you use to eat every day?

82 mm by measurement . in 3 months , I ate a lot . carbs and protein .

I stayed in bed for 3 and half months until both my legs got 85% and cleared to walk by my doctor , then I started cycling 30 mins a day , walking 3000 steps a day .

my diet is mostly eggs , meat , bread , noodles , rice , ETC...i dont eat veggie ..take my Vitamins everyday , D and calcium .