hmm i’m somewhat in the middle i’m mullato and have a somewhat of a feminine and masculine face, early 20s and lean, prob 150lbs. stay very healthy diet wise and physically
i think i would benefit greatly by unlocking new doors but really 5’10 feels average but most definitely good enough. i don’t have bad height dysmorphia but i would definitely feel the benefit if i went through w this
Quote from: tsmith4900 on June 02, 2023, 03:57:52 PM
Online dating is the most 'brutal', but it's also how most young couples meet these days, so that's the yardstick to use. Clubs and bars are absolutely dead, and you need to be a certain type of person to thrive in those anyway (specifically, you need friends, friends who also enjoy going to bars and clubs, since going there alone is extremely awkward and marks you out as a loser from the getgo, that's if you even get in as a single guy, which you most likely won't. You also have to be comfortable approaching strangers, most people aren't, and nothing wrong with that since it is kinda 'weird').
Yeah you can luck out at the gym or the park or whatever but it's just not where most people meet nowadays. If you can't do well on online dating you're fighting a massive uphill battle, especially once you've graduated college since how else are you getting access to young prime women? Wagie jobs are full of 30+ trash women, and working one of those sucks anyway.
I think it depends on the country and the job. I live in Italy where online dating is pretty non existent so we dont have this problem here unlike the USA. Also, about the workplace, I am a resident general surgeon and most nurses and female collegues are between 23-28 so it really depends on what you do I guess. My gf is working at an office job and she told me she is the youngest at 27 years old.
Again, I am not trying to discredit your life experience but talking from mine, if we were to put an upper limit to which adding height is no longer beneficial when taking into considerations the risks, I believe that 5'9 is the upper limit (talking about a minimum of 5cm lengthening) because at around 5'9 in most of the west height is no longer a negative and once you reach 180cms you are considered tall
Quote from: informationispower on June 02, 2023, 08:45:08 PMI think it depends on the country and the job. I live in Italy where online dating is pretty non existent so we dont have this problem here unlike the USA. Also, about the workplace, I am a resident general surgeon and most nurses and female collegues are between 23-28 so it really depends on what you do I guess. My gf is working at an office job and she told me she is the youngest at 27 years old.
Again, I am not trying to discredit your life experience but talking from mine, if we were to put an upper limit to which adding height is no longer beneficial when taking into considerations the risks, I believe that 5'9 is the upper limit (talking about a minimum of 5cm lengthening) because at around 5'9 in most of the west height is no longer a negative and once you reach 180cms you are considered tall
I've travelled all around the world - the common theme is, if you're by yourself, the only way to meet girls is through online dating. Without school/college there's nothing that gets you around young prime women (to be clear when I say young and prime, I mean college aged, not mid-20s or above). Put it this way: in 2019 I travelled to China. Using Tantan (the Chinese version of Tinder) it was very easy to set up 5-7 dates a week and have a great 2 week holiday, and I fked 5 girls in that time. Without the use of online? Impossible, no one in the street speaks English and of course you look like some sort of creepy loser walking around by yourself trying to get 'in' with random people. Same experiences all over Asia, Europe (mainly East Europe) and South America. It really is online or bust unless you have a 'social circle', which you'll only have if you stay in the place you were born and/or work a wagie job and get in with them, either isn't an appealing prospect. Think about your home country. If you moved cities, like lets say you moved from Rome to Milan, and you didn't know anyone in Milan, how else do you propose to meet a girl? It's going to be either online or through your job if you have one since the reality is approaching randoms on the street is extremely weird and 99% of people cannot and do not want to do it.
I'd say 5ft 11 is the cutoff where risks and benefits start to turn against you, and the absolute best height in terms of 'benefit to cost ratio' is going from 5ft 7 to 5ft 10 (i.e. short to average).
I was in a similar position as you. My starting height was 5' 9.5". Did Precice 2.2 limb lengthening back in March and should be done with the growing / distraction phase next week which will put me at around 6' 0.5". Total of 8 cm grown.
While I've never felt "short", I've also never felt tall. And I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to be above average in life. Would I take another million dollars if I could? Would I take another 10 IQ points if I could? Would I take being a bit more attractive if I could? Yes, to all the above.
As much as people want to give moral platitudes about how height doesn't matter and it's all about what's inside, the real world doesn't quite bear this out. It is an undeniable fact that height privilege is a real thing.
I work fully remote so I wouldn't have to miss any work and the financial cost wasn't a big deal as I've saved up a lot of money over the years. I understood the risks involved (as any surgery has), but reasoned that the risks are very small as long as you get the surgery done with a top surgeon and put the work in on physical therapy.
What it boiled down to for me was not wanting to live life with regrets. I have an opportunity to live the rest of my life as a "tall" person and to live my life with all the benefits / privileges that it affords. I didn't want to live a life wondering if the tall beautiful model-esque girl wearing 3 inch heels wasn't interested because I was too short for her, if I would have gotten that promotion over someone else if I was taller and thus perceived as more of a leader, etc. I only have one life to live and I might as well maximize it to the extent that it is within my ability to do so.
At the end of the day, the decision to do this surgery is a highly personal one. What may bring happiness and elevated quality of life to one person may not for another.
Quote from: tsmith4900 on June 02, 2023, 09:16:34 PMI've travelled all around the world - the common theme is, if you're by yourself, the only way to meet girls is through online dating. Without school/college there's nothing that gets you around young prime women (to be clear when I say young and prime, I mean college aged, not mid-20s or above). Put it this way: in 2019 I travelled to China. Using Tantan (the Chinese version of Tinder) it was very easy to set up 5-7 dates a week and have a great 2 week holiday, and I fked 5 girls in that time. Without the use of online? Impossible, no one in the street speaks English and of course you look like some sort of creepy loser walking around by yourself trying to get 'in' with random people. Same experiences all over Asia, Europe (mainly East Europe) and South America. It really is online or bust unless you have a 'social circle', which you'll only have if you stay in the place you were born and/or work a wagie job and get in with them, either isn't an appealing prospect. Think about your home country. If you moved cities, like lets say you moved from Rome to Milan, and you didn't know anyone in Milan, how else do you propose to meet a girl? It's going to be either online or through your job if you have one since the reality is approaching randoms on the street is extremely weird and 99% of people cannot and do not want to do it.
I'd say 5ft 11 is the cutoff where risks and benefits start to turn against you, and the absolute best height in terms of 'benefit to cost ratio' is going from 5ft 7 to 5ft 10 (i.e. short to average).
You were 5'7.5 if I remember correctly and yet you describe a pretty good sxx life even using online dating as a traveller. This is why I say that irl, 5'7, while far from perfect is not as bad as it is described on this forum or elsewhere in the web. It is also a height that with a small insole or even some footwear you basically pass the height threshold for many women.
Again, I am also 5'7 so it is not that I am saying that a 5'7 doing this is crazy. I am just planning a 5-6cms femurs though since in the west outside of the USA 175cms appears to be the height where your height is no longer a negative
Quote from: informationispower on June 02, 2023, 09:49:10 PMYou were 5'7.5 if I remember correctly and yet you describe a pretty good sxx life even using online dating as a traveller. This is why I say that irl, 5'7, while far from perfect is not as bad as it is described on this forum or elsewhere in the web. It is also a height that with a small insole or even some footwear you basically pass the height threshold for many women.
Again, I am also 5'7 so it is not that I am saying that a 5'7 doing this is crazy... Just stating that 5'7 is really the minimum accepted height
Depends on country though. If he was in the Netherlands or Norway instead of China would the result have been the same? Also I think insoles and lifts should be avoided at all costs.
If you have to take your shoes off for any given occasion, then you will be exposed, and if you thought people gave you crap for your height before wait and see after you get caught wearing lifts, it will be 10000 times worse.
Quote from: TheDream on June 02, 2023, 09:51:42 PMDepends on country though. If he was in the Netherlands or Norway instead of China would the result have been the same? Also I think insoles and lifts should be avoided at all costs.
If you have to take your shoes off for any given occasion, then you will be exposed, and if you thought people gave you crap for your height before wait and see after you get caught wearing lifts, it will be 10000 times worse.
Netherlands and Norway are some of the few countries that have a tall average height. Since I am not dutch or scandinavian and neither most of us, there is no need to try and be as tall as them. I am meditterenean and the average height is somewhere between 174-177 in this area.
About insoles, nothing wrong with a 2cm insole as while it does have an effect on your POV, it doesnt really on how others see you.. I have been wearing them from for close to 10 years and many times I did experiments to see if people notice when I put them or not and I can assure you that no one notices 2cms besides you
Quote from: GrowGrow123 on June 02, 2023, 09:31:30 PMI was in a similar position as you. My starting height was 5' 9.5". Did Precice 2.2 limb lengthening back in March and should be done with the growing / distraction phase next week which will put me at around 6' 0.5". Total of 8 cm grown.
While I've never felt "short", I've also never felt tall. And I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to be above average in life. Would I take another million dollars if I could? Would I take another 10 IQ points if I could? Would I take being a bit more attractive if I could? Yes, to all the above.
As much as people want to give moral platitudes about how height doesn't matter and it's all about what's inside, the real world doesn't quite bear this out. It is an undeniable fact that height privilege is a real thing.
I work fully remote so I wouldn't have to miss any work and the financial cost wasn't a big deal as I've saved up a lot of money over the years. I understood the risks involved (as any surgery has), but reasoned that the risks are very small as long as you get the surgery done with a top surgeon and put the work in on physical therapy.
What it boiled down to for me was not wanting to live life with regrets. I have an opportunity to live the rest of my life as a "tall" person and to live my life with all the benefits / privileges that it affords. I didn't want to live a life wondering if the tall beautiful model-esque girl wearing 3 inch heels wasn't interested because I was too short for her, if I would have gotten that promotion over someone else if I was taller and thus perceived as more of a leader, etc. I only have one life to live and I might as well maximize it to the extent that it is within my ability to do so.
At the end of the day, the decision to do this surgery is a highly personal one. What may bring happiness and elevated quality of life to one person may not for another.
Amen to this.
No one would tell a guy earning $30,000 a year 'oh you're already average bro, you shouldn't strive to want more, trying to climb the ladder is only for those on $15k and under'. Yet when it comes to height there's gatekeepers everywhere saying 'average' is fine (and most of the time what they describe as average isn't even average). Maximise everything you can.
Quote from: informationispower on June 02, 2023, 09:49:10 PMYou were 5'7.5 if I remember correctly and yet you describe a pretty good sxx life even using online dating as a traveller. This is why I say that irl, 5'7, while far from perfect is not as bad as it is described on this forum or elsewhere in the web. It is also a height that with a small insole or even some footwear you basically pass the height threshold for many women.
Again, I am also 5'7 so it is not that I am saying that a 5'7 doing this is crazy. I am just planning a 5-6cms femurs though since in the west outside of the USA 175cms appears to be the height where your height is no longer a negative
That's why point 3 of my 'list of stuff that is important to be happy' in this thread is race. Put simply it's a lot easier to get sex as a 5ft 7 white guy in China than it would be as a 5ft 7 Chinese guy in China (or a 5ft 7 white guy in Europe).
That doesn't mean I wouldn't have done better at 5ft 10. I'd at least be in the game in Europe then on a level playing field with anyone else (rather than starting off at a massive disadvantage), and I'd heightmog all the locals in Asia rather than just being 'average'.
Insoles etc are irrelevant since they're not mutually exclusive with leg lengthening. It's like telling a bald guy to just go to the gym - yeah bro, how about go to the gym AND not lose your hair, instead? Normies love to do this, portraying 2 things as an either/or situation. Fact is, you can get LL to get 3 extra inches AND wear an insole for 1 more if you so desire.
Insoles are indeed not mutually exclusive with ll but admit that it is safer and more cost effective for a 5'9 guy to wear them than rather risk it in surgery haha.
In fact, I plan on keeping wearing them afterwards but who knows
Quote from: informationispower on June 02, 2023, 10:54:50 PMInsoles are indeed not mutually exclusive with ll but admit that it is safer and more cost effective for a 5'9 guy to wear them than rather risk it in surgery haha.
In fact, I plan on keeping wearing them afterwards but who knows
Of course it's safer and cheaper but there's no reason one cant do both (unless 6ft or so already where you might 'only' need an extra inch to be just about perfect).
I'd probably wear lifts when in Europe at 5ft 10. Wouldn't bother anywhere in Asia, North Africa, the Middle East, or Latin America, as you're already comfortably above average then and the law of diminishing returns kicks in (and lifts are uncomfortable).
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