Hey @ReadRothbard, last time I checked in public clinic +14 days of postoperative days in the single hospital room was:
296000 + (11*4700) = 347700 * 0.011 = 3824.7 Eur
1.5 months per cm = 3000 Eur living expenses
so all in all, I'm saving up to 16 k. eur
How did you arrive to 25k.?
Anyway they Russia doesn't give any visas yet.
Quote from: financialadvisor on January 28, 2022, 11:21:01 PMHey @ReadRothbard, last time I checked in public clinic +14 days of postoperative days in the single hospital room was:
296000 + (11*4700) = 347700 * 0.011 = 3824.7 Eur
1.5 months per cm = 3000 Eur living expenses
so all in all, I'm saving up to 16 k. eur
How did you arrive to 25k.?
Anyway they Russia doesn't give any visas yet.
The quote they gave me was 25k for the private clinic + visa support.
Quote from: financialadvisor on January 28, 2022, 11:21:01 PMHey @ReadRothbard, last time I checked in public clinic +14 days of postoperative days in the single hospital room was:
296000 + (11*4700) = 347700 * 0.011 = 3824.7 Eur
1.5 months per cm = 3000 Eur living expenses
so all in all, I'm saving up to 16 k. eur
How did you arrive to 25k.?
Anyway they Russia doesn't give any visas yet.
If Russia follows most of the countries rules they may accept exceptions to covid regulations for visas if we fravel for "medical reasons" and enough financial resources for self subsistence.
There would just be needed a declaration from Solomin and still maybe 5 or 7 quarentine days and vaccination certificate. In fact I'm trying to check that, and if they accept my vaccines (Astra).
I'm now confused about costs and financialadvisor calculations, but when I checked I remember it got well bellow 35.000 in my mind...
Better go to Catagni, although I dont like they do Achilles tendon lengthening very often they produce good results, solomin and kulesh have had strange cases here, better go to the safety. And I would recommend LON, becuase I read that with LATN they can harm the regenerate in the nail insertion and can cause lost of height gained becuase the regenerate is soft during the nailing.
Quote from: Thehighest on January 29, 2022, 09:58:31 PMBetter go to Catagni, although I dont like they do Achilles tendon lengthening very often they produce good results, solomin and kulesh have had strange cases here, better go to the safety. And I would recommend LON, becuase I read that with LATN they can harm the regenerate in the nail insertion and can cause lost of height gained becuase the regenerate is soft during the nailing.
You can bypass ATL if you're very flexible going into surgery, but yes, I wanted to go with Dr. Catagni for pure externals, but he quoted me about 16 months until I can get back to heavy squatting and deadlifting (10 months if I do LON/LATN). The former is just too long, but the latter can be begrudgingly acceptable.
Dr. Solomin and Kulesh honestly seem to be wonderful doctors, too, however--and they're much younger, so I'm not sure yet. I'll have to contact Dr. Pilli.
Quote from: Thehighest on January 29, 2022, 09:58:31 PMBetter go to Catagni, although I dont like they do Achilles tendon lengthening very often they produce good results, solomin and kulesh have had strange cases here, better go to the safety. And I would recommend LON, becuase I read that with LATN they can harm the regenerate in the nail insertion and can cause lost of height gained becuase the regenerate is soft during the nailing.
Catagni is retiring (73 yo), he wouldn't be allowed to perform surgeries anymore in most European countries, altough I'm still considering him. But LON is not his prefered method. Maybe because it's very crude, with huge loss of blood, and may cause knee problems if not "perfectly" done. On LON maybe Dr. Solomin or even Dr. Lippi are better options technically, as surgeons (just thinking about age). Pili worked together with Catagni (maybe still some times) for at least 20 years.
This is my source, it's posted under Solomin page in forum:
In Rubles.
First surgery:
We recommend:
in private clinic - 296.000 (Conventional Ilizarov or LATN – first step)
+ 3 days in clinic:
8.532x3=25.596 (double room)
11.340x3=34.020 (single room)
19.872x3=59.616 (lux room)
OR
in private clinic - 296.000 (LON – first step)
+ 3 days in clinic:
8.532x3=25.596 (double room)
11.340x3=34.020 (single room)
19.872x3=59.616 (lux room)
+ cost of 2 nails:
110.000x2 = 220.000 (Chinese nails)
130.000x2 = 260.000 (American nails)
We consider admissible:
in municipal clinic – 148.600 (Conventional Ilizarov or LATN – first step)
+ 3 days in clinic:
4.400x3=13.200 (single room)
4.700 x3=14.100 (lux room)
OR
in municipal clinic – 148.600 (LON – first step)
+ cost of 2 nails:
23.000x2 = 46.000 (Russian nails)
57.500x2 = 115.000 (American nails)
+ 3 days in clinic:
4.400x3=13.200 (single room)
4.700 x3=14.100 (lux room)
Postoperative period
The 3rd day after the operation – the 14th day after operation
If you go with pure externals, it's 1.5month per cm and I'm allocating 2k. Eur as a living expense for that period.
This may sound strange due to last developments in Russia.
But because 1) of the difficulties I am having in contacts with Dr. Pili (I've been considering him as he's been operating with Dr. Catagni for many many years and Dr. Catagni is now around 73 yo), and 2) the impressive background of practice and research of Dr. Solomin; I am shifting towards the later.
I don’t believe I should "politicise" LL, I don’t even know the politic opinions of Dr. Solomin.
Anyway, I want to ask you all what are your thoughts on this.
There's the "logistics" issues also and actually at this respect there are maybe three positive outcomes for doing LL with Dr. Solomin, despite and even due to this tragedy of war. (Plus many Russians are against the war).
The first is that the ruble is going down and the second is that altough this depends on where we live, in principle I have flight connections guaranteed because flights from Dubai to Russia with Emirates are guaranteed not to be banned and fortunately Emirates has small hub connection near where I live.
The third "positive" issue is that Russia won't ban visas to people from countries not banning travel there, and that's the situation in my country. The government is against Russia but never bans travel anywhere, I'm lucky as it's kind of neutral in individual liberties.
What do you think guys? Is it still too risky?
By the way, I'm still confused about an estimation of total budget for Dr. Solomin and waiting his email answer I sent yesterday.
Does any of you understand the financial information above?
And: would any of you would like to share travel doing LL/physiotherapy at the same time and support each other? I am pointing to do it starting roughly in next September-December if I'm cleared for surgery but I would gladly ajust it with a forum fellow.
Russia is under severe economic sanctions. Three days isn't enough for these sanctions to do anything. In a month or so the effects of the sanctions will start to hurt Russia, and civil unrest has already begun. You can't hide from the effects of war in a hospital, especially when wounded soldiers are coming back there soon.
100% stay away.
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