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Posted on Feb 14, 2022, 1:35 am
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Quote from: zaozari on February 11, 2022, 06:31:04 PMI haven't established yet a more "disciplined" or organized plan on this for when I do LL and of course it should be adjusted with our doctors, although some don't provide any special support on this. When I do that I will share it here just as a contribution, it won't be any scientific universal prescription! And it would always need some individual adaptation.

However, don't worry too much about it. You don't need for example to monitor your food intake of vitamin C (plus this would be an additional source of stress). Zinc is crucial for normal physiology but not  to care specifically for bone. Boron is a "good idea" for bone, sometimes forgotten.
The main thing is really to assure the more varied diet as possible with three "nuances" as I learned:

1) a bit more of general quantity of food and caloric intake (if you are losing apetite or weight specially, but avoiding getting fat even before surgery).

2) adding a bit more of protein (meat, eggs, dairy products, fish, vegan protein as in beans). Maybe supplements of aminoacids also (?).

3) taking some supplements without exaggeration.  All nutrients tend to be best absorbed in their natural food sources. Some exceptions occur for example in a meal with too much "greens" who have phytates and fiber which may "retain" some nutrients across its way in the intestine. On the other hand, due to those phenomena of absorption competition and other issues, probably the multivitamin pills are not the best solution. For each of the more important nutrients for bone we should carefully seek information about. For example,  it's now well established that good sources or pills of iron are best to take together with vitamin C (in food particularly). Calcium is indicated by some in the literature to be taken at bed time without much food together. A varied diet also assures good intake of vitamin D (dairy products again for example) which is crucial for successful calcium absorption in the intestine. Vitamin D is not water soluble, which means it should be ingested from some fatty foods like normal milk or butter without fat excess. A supplement of vitamin D in adequately coated pills may help on that.


Thank you for the info. I recently learned that foods liek spinach actually are not that great a source of calcium. All this time I thought I was doing good by eating huge mouthfuls of spinach through-out the day 🤣. I think my shorter stature is due to bad nutrition as a youth. Always underweight and underfed. I am 200lbs now which is overweight but I have put on a lot of muscle. At one time, i was 130lbs, about a few years ago. Stress and anxiety basically destroyed my desire to eat. I am now trying hard to get my nutrition right but it is still a challenge. I find whey protein to be a good way to get protein in when not hungry.

If I may pick your brain a bit, what do you think about GH peptides and things like GABA and Alpha-GPC to boost GH before and after surgery. Would they help with recovery and bone strength you think? A lot of guys at the gym I go to take peptides and supplements like SNS Growth Factor XT. 

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Posted on Feb 14, 2022, 1:36 am
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Quote from: ilovescience on February 13, 2022, 02:27:40 AMFizzy drinks, like coke and anything that has bubbles?


You have complete the surgery and recovery right? Anything special you did? Did you drink a lot of milk and eat a ton of meat?

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Posted on Feb 17, 2022, 2:12 am
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Quote from: NotTall84 on February 14, 2022, 01:35:11 AMThank you for the info. I recently learned that foods liek spinach actually are not that great a source of calcium. All this time I thought I was doing good by eating huge mouthfuls of spinach through-out the day 🤣. I think my shorter stature is due to bad nutrition as a youth. Always underweight and underfed. I am 200lbs now which is overweight but I have put on a lot of muscle. At one time, i was 130lbs, about a few years ago. Stress and anxiety basically destroyed my desire to eat. I am now trying hard to get my nutrition right but it is still a challenge. I find whey protein to be a good way to get protein in when not hungry.

If I may pick your brain a bit, what do you think about GH peptides and things like GABA and Alpha-GPC to boost GH before and after surgery. Would they help with recovery and bone strength you think? A lot of guys at the gym I go to take peptides and supplements like SNS Growth Factor XT.


Unfortunately as far as I have read, the so called ''precursors'' or ''stimulants'' of GH production just don't work, despite the very optimistic and agressive advertisement and what guys take to the gym. But GH itself really contributes to bone growth and consolidation. Doctors are often afraid of prescribing it because hormonal system has a very narrow balance of interactions and also GH may have secondary effects (less severe: little nose and ears growth...). If a person doesn't have problems of consolidation he/she doesn't really need artificial suplementation of GH. But in my case for example, not young anymore, I will try to explore and ask about that option since the first consultation (GH injections).

What you may want to try to complete your diet is Whey protein but never take it as a substitute of natural protein from real food.

Regarding calcium, one should chose, according what he's eating, time of ingestion and other factors, either calcium citrate or calcium carbonate.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/nutrition/choosing-a-calcium-supplement

Still regarding calcium, I quote:
''Vitamin D is the most significant nutrient for the proper absorption of calcium. Vitamin D and calcium work together to slow down or even reverse osteoporosis. Vitamin D is essential in helping the body absorb and use calcium; in fact, the body cannot absorb calcium at all without some vitamin D''.

And then, again, let's not forget magnesium and iron. It seems bone also likes a bit of boron :-)
There are other ''suggestions'' of useful supplements for bone but with no real demonstration so far.


 

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Posted on Feb 22, 2022, 12:34 pm
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Since this topic here shifted mainly to supplements' issues and I found out there's a pinned, older, more extensive topic just about that, I am moving my contributions to the subject there:

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1785.0

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Posted on Feb 22, 2022, 12:39 pm
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Quote from: NotTall84 on February 14, 2022, 01:35:11 AMThank you for the info. I recently learned that foods liek spinach actually are not that great a source of calcium. All this time I thought I was doing good by eating huge mouthfuls of spinach through-out the day 🤣. I think my shorter stature is due to bad nutrition as a youth. Always underweight and underfed. I am 200lbs now which is overweight but I have put on a lot of muscle. At one time, i was 130lbs, about a few years ago. Stress and anxiety basically destroyed my desire to eat. I am now trying hard to get my nutrition right but it is still a challenge. I find whey protein to be a good way to get protein in when not hungry.

If I may pick your brain a bit, what do you think about GH peptides and things like GABA and Alpha-GPC to boost GH before and after surgery. Would they help with recovery and bone strength you think? A lot of guys at the gym I go to take peptides and supplements like SNS Growth Factor XT.


Despite my first answer I noticed there's already at least one article mentioning that GABA  (do not confuse with gabapentin!) may in fact contribute to synthesis of GH acting in skeletal muscle (not referred if in bone also). The effect depends on some variables. If I can reference the article, I will put it in the "main" topic about supplementation.

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1785.0

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Posted on Feb 23, 2022, 5:54 am
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Quote from: zaozari on February 22, 2022, 12:39:53 PMDespite my first answer I noticed there's already at least one article mentioning that GABA  (do not confuse with gabapentin!) may in fact contribute to synthesis of GH acting in skeletal muscle (not referred if in bone also). The effect depends on some variables. If I can reference the article, I will put it in the "main" topic about supplementation.

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1785.0


This is good to know. I've taken GABA before for sleep purposes and it helps, but I needed a lot. About 5 grams and upon waking, I'd feel groggy for a bit. I think after LL, it would be helpful for sleep, but maybe the grogginess may lead to a bad fall or something since we'd be in already compromised condition.

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