Quote from: YellowSpike on May 09, 2018, 02:40:43 PMUnfortunately, LL is probably the riskiest, most painful cosmetic procedure known to man.
The saving grace with LL is that it's a complex procedure, requiring more skill and experience from doctors. Its arduous nature makes it a harder pill to swallow, especially for cosmetic lengthening patients.
The very popular Brazilian butt lift (BBL) is a comparatively simple procedure, and its demand has invited many unlicensed surgeons to perform it; the death rate is 1 in 3000 compared to 1 in 50,000 for other plastic surgeries. Much like how male masculinity is associated with taller stature, over 20,000 women annually are flocking to BBL due to societal pressure (and these numbers are only for the US). The relative low cost and quick recovery makes it an impulse buy; the promise of attaining the impossible bodies that celebrities showcase on social media is enticing for many younger women.
Quote from: fokid on May 09, 2018, 02:36:56 PMhowever it is obviously not worth it if there are physical side effects. the brain can easily forget bad memories when in good circumstances. that's why happy people tend to forgive others easily. on the other hand if you have physical ailments after LL everything flips and all your anguish is amplified.
Indeed, it's hindsight bias. Outcome has a profound impact on our memory.
I also escaped from this unscathed (apart from knee pain and minor issues) but this got a toll on me psychologically. Many patients I met suffered a lot. Some of my LL friend (successful business men and Ivy League trainees) couldn't help crying. Pain and psychological distress were so unbearable. The bravest patient I met was Musicmaker, with 10 surgeries and more piling up, and she kept active taking on hobbies but I could see sadness in her eyes and at night she used to cry like everybody else. LL is quite hard and not for everybody.
Quote from: notatroll on May 09, 2018, 06:43:14 PMI also escaped from this unscathed (apart from knee pain and minor issues) but this got a toll on me psychologically. Many patients I met suffered a lot. Some of my LL friend (successful business men and Ivy League trainees) couldn't help crying. Pain and psychological distress were so unbearable. The bravest patient I met was Musicmaker, with 10 surgeries and more piling up, and she kept active taking on hobbies but I could see sadness in her eyes and at night she used to cry like everybody else. LL is quite hard and not for everybody.
What were some of the reasons? Being stagnant in life, lonely, helpless, questioning ones self etc? Those are what come to mind for me
Quote from: Johnson1111 on May 09, 2018, 06:46:36 PMWhat were some of the reasons? Being stagnant in life, lonely, helpless, questioning ones self etc? Those are what come to mind for me
It's a hard pill to swallow. My doctor told me it would be easy but he lied. If I had known, I'd have never done it. I didn't get complications but the pain was so strong I couldn't imagine. The wheelchair makes you feel stagnant and useless. I used it for months but some patients have used it for years. Life as a cripple is sad. I don't know how those patients managed to keep suicidal thoughts away (one of them commited suicide though)
Also being alone in a foreign country... You can't count on your friends because they could use this against you if relationships become bitter (yes, Microbe) and other patients sometimes help but also they have their own personal dramas.
So you feel alone, stupid to have taken this decision, unattractive for women, ashamed of scars that show what you did. I'm also sad about my knee pain and fear of premature arthritis. I'll be a crippled old man at 40 and I didn't have complications. For patients who get complications things are much much much harder, so the OP deserves all my respect.
Quote from: notatroll on May 09, 2018, 06:43:14 PMI also escaped from this unscathed (apart from knee pain and minor issues) but this got a toll on me psychologically. Many patients I met suffered a lot. Some of my LL friend (successful business men and Ivy League trainees) couldn't help crying. Pain and psychological distress were so unbearable. The bravest patient I met was Musicmaker, with 10 surgeries and more piling up, and she kept active taking on hobbies but I could see sadness in her eyes and at night she used to cry like everybody else. LL is quite hard and not for everybody.
Who are you? When did you have your surgery? Your speculative crap is full of holes. I'm 99.9% sure you haven't met the people you're mentioning. Even in the hypothetical case you were a real patient, your post is unacceptable. You would be violating your fellow patients' privacy by including references to their education, their distress, their hobbies or the number of surgeries they have had. PLEASE, RESPECT PATIENT PRIVACY. You CAN'T use Tangle's tragedy as an excuse to play your broken record abut Dr M and his patients, including MM. It's morally disgusting.
Quote from: notatroll on May 09, 2018, 08:01:59 PMIt's a hard pill to swallow. My doctor told me it would be easy but he lied. If I had known, I'd have never done it. I didn't get complications but the pain was so strong I couldn't imagine. The wheelchair makes you feel stagnant and useless. I used it for months but some patients have used it for years. Life as a cripple is sad. I don't know how those patients managed to keep suicidal thoughts away (one of them commited suicide though)
Also being alone in a foreign country... You can't count on your friends because they could use this against you if relationships become bitter (yes, Microbe) and other patients sometimes help but also they have their own personal dramas.
So you feel alone, stupid to have taken this decision, unattractive for women, ashamed of scars that show what you did. I'm also sad about my knee pain and fear of premature arthritis. I'll be a crippled old man at 40 and I didn't have complications. For patients who get complications things are much much much harder, so the OP deserves all my respect.
do you really feel that you will be a cripple at 40? Wow, this is an eye opener. So everything went well, there were no complications, you are out of your wheelchair and you still feel this negative? From my understanding the bones grow back even stronger after the break? I assume maybe it was the psychological feeling of thinking you might never heal or walk again. Could you elaborate a little more if it is not too much to ask?
Quote from: Johnson1111 on May 09, 2018, 10:32:03 PM do you really feel that you will be a cripple at 40? Wow, this is an eye opener. So everything went well, there were no complications, you are out of your wheelchair and you still feel this negative? From my understanding the bones grow back even stronger after the break? I assume maybe it was the psychological feeling of thinking you might never heal or walk again. Could you elaborate a little more if it is not too much to ask?
I'm out of my wheelchair but I have knee pain. Joints are never the same as before. Premature arthritis is one of the greatest real consequences of CLL.
Quote from: myloginacct on January 23, 2018, 01:24:43 PMI'm pretty sure LL guarantees or exponentially increases the chance of early arthritis in the knees and hips as you get older. It's a gamble / cost vs benefit analysis you make with your body.
Quote from: myloginacct on April 06, 2018, 12:01:54 AMHi again, Microbe. I hope the physio and orthotics help, hopefully get rid of your pain!
Can you talk a bit more about that pain? In a scale of 1 to 10, how bad is the pain? Is it worse during certain times of the day, or in certain positions? Is it constant, ever-present, only varying in the scale of 1~10? And maybe in a more complex question: how bad is it on you, psychologically?
By the way, I believe premature arthritis is one of the greatest real consequences of CLL, but it doesn't need to necessarily happen. I'm hoping all ends the best in your case.
Thanks again, Microbe.
Are you a M.D.? Are the people you're quoting M.D.s? This is an example of forum speculative bullcrap. You should look for more serious sources.
Quote from: notatroll on May 09, 2018, 10:46:31 PMI'm out of my wheelchair but I have knee pain. Joints are never the same as before. Premature arthritis is one of the greatest real consequences of CLL.
how much did you lengthen and how tall were you beginning? Did you go over 20%? Were your IT bands partially released? Just wondering if these may have contributed, or maybe the risks are there regardless?
Quote from: Johnson1111 on May 09, 2018, 10:52:59 PM how much did you lengthen and how tall were you beginning? Did you go over 20%? Were your IT bands partially released? Just wondering if these may have contributed, or maybe the risks are there regardless?
I was 5'65. I'm 5'8-5'9 now. I think no more than 20%. I was cautious. My IT bands were partially released. The risk of arthritis is still there if the nail is introduced by the knee.
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