This is a merged topic with posts from other topic Site rules suggestion & Anti old forum Poll, because of the common posts of all three topic.
For anyone late to the thread, alot of the misunderstanding happened when this forum was getting started and nobody had a clear gripe on the who were the moderators and the forum policy about why we don't allow http/www links to old forum
I have removed posts on this subject so everyone can move beyond it.
AppleAday has settled this issue over here,
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=520.msg1188#msg1188
Daemon and TomD, I understand your feelings about SysOp. I felt the same way about old forum Admin back in 2007 which is why I waited until now to tell my LL story. But take my advice and just let it go. Being anti-old forum and anti-SysOp is not how this forum is going to grow into a viable alternative. Someone found out old forum Admin's identity and confronted him in person. That scared him enough to close the site down for a while, then sell it to SysOp. SysOp will eventually make enough enemies and destroy himself too.
If you're going to ban people for arguing with you and censor links to a forum you don't like, well, that's a pretty old forum -like way of running this place. People will leave here for the same reasons they're leaving old forum . You need to develop thicker skin and tolerate dissidence, because the problem with old forum Admin and SysOp is that they could never manage to do that.
Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on October 19, 2013, 08:21:46 PMDaemon and TomD, I understand your feelings about SysOp. I felt the same way about old forum Admin back in 2007 which is why I waited until now to tell my LL story. But take my advice and just let it go. Being anti-old forum and anti-SysOp is not how this forum is going to grow into a viable alternative. Someone found out old forum Admin's identity and confronted him in person. That scared him enough to close the site down for a while, then sell it to SysOp. SysOp will eventually make enough enemies and destroy himself too.
If you're going to ban people for arguing with you and censor links to a forum you don't like, well, that's a pretty old forum -like way of running this place. People will leave here for the same reasons they're leaving old forum . You need to develop thicker skin and tolerate dissidence, because the problem with old forum Admin and SysOp is that they could never manage to do that.
If this was ran like old forum , this thread wouldn't even exist, it would be deleted in a heartbeat.
1) AppleADay is suspended from posting, because he clearly has a problem making his points without starting arguments with two other members (Carter & TomD). It's not what he say, it's how he say it. The argument was not with me as conversations between me and AppleADay have been fine, you can ask him via PM. .
When somebody resort to insult/sarcasm/hostility to make a point to other members, then they need to look at their own attitude first. This is a forum where people need to be civil toward each other regardless of difference in opinion.
2) http/www Links are not allowed because we do not want to boost their site profile in search engine. This is about technical issue, not censorship of information.
We allow plenty of posts referencing information on old forum , it's not like we are afraid to mention their website name here, be it old forum or Make Me Taller.
3) Sysop-Apotheosis may have made plenty of enemies, but odds are nobody would have done a thing to start an alternative forum if everyone had the same mentality to leave it as it is. That's the reality of the situation and things would have went from bad to worse.
4) Developing legit LL information and old forum related issues are separate things, that is true.
There are 4 Dedicated Forums for Medical Aspects of Limb Lengthening, because that is the main purpose here.
The secondary thing is people need to know for safety reason is that old forum is a potential disaster site because of the Sysop/Apotheosis financial investment and conflict of interest with certain Doctors and manufacturers.
A good number of us are driven the extra mile to make this place a real alternative because of the negative emotions toward the other place. If you can turn negative emotions into positive actions, that's the way to react.
Let's see what everyone here think about whether these two agendas are conflicting each other, then we'll go with the majority's opinion. I'll start a poll so people can give their view.
Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on October 19, 2013, 08:21:46 PMDaemon and TomD, I understand your feelings about SysOp. I felt the same way about old forum Admin back in 2007 which is why I waited until now to tell my LL story. But take my advice and just let it go. Being anti-old forum and anti-SysOp is not how this forum is going to grow into a viable alternative. Someone found out old forum Admin's identity and confronted him in person. That scared him enough to close the site down for a while, then sell it to SysOp. SysOp will eventually make enough enemies and destroy himself too.
If you're going to ban people for arguing with you and censor links to a forum you don't like, well, that's a pretty old forum -like way of running this place. People will leave here for the same reasons they're leaving old forum . You need to develop thicker skin and tolerate dissidence, because the problem with old forum Admin and SysOp is that they could never manage to do that.
I just want to expose him for fooling patients while making money. It wasnt fair.
other than that, We cant have back links up to old forum . It defeats the purpose of our forum. I dont think its unreasonable
I am sure Dameon would agree that we welcome anyone from old forum and especially the patient diaries.
Quote from: Dameon on October 19, 2013, 11:29:59 PMHere's where you're mistaken on two points
1) AppleADay was banned for arguing with other members TomD and Carter in two separate threads. He resort to sarcasm and insults, which is the main reason he is banned. A forum where people can't communicate without using sarcasm, insults and hostility is not the way to go.
As far as I know, all conversations between me and AppleADay have been fine, you can ask him via PM.
2) For the last time, giving links to old forum is not acceptable because it'll boost their search engine ranks, nothing to do with "censorship". Plain and simple. This is something technical, please go read up for clarity.
i seem to remember both of those also used insults and foul language which apple did not
why are they not banned or suspended too?
is it different rules for different people?
Quote from: helpyourself on October 19, 2013, 11:42:07 PMi seem to remember both of those also used insults and foul language which apple did not
why are they not banned or suspended too?
is it different rules for different people?
Here comes all the fake id butthurt.
Quote from: helpyourself on October 19, 2013, 11:42:07 PMi seem to remember both of those also used insults and foul language which apple did not
why are they not banned or suspended too?
is it different rules for different people?
Nope, the same rules applies for everyone. If a person is consistently getting into argument with various people, they'll get posting rights suspended as a warning. Especially if there's a high possibility it will happen over and over again.
Quote from: Dameon on October 19, 2013, 11:49:37 PMNope, the same rules applies for everyone. If a person is consistently getting into argument with various people, they'll get posting rights suspended as a warning.
well in those threads you linked to tomd and carter were very aggresive
apple was sarcastic i'll agree, but he didnt insult or use bad language just put forward some points that tom didnt like
and twice is hardly consistsent really this is very old forum like activity
Quote from: helpyourself on October 19, 2013, 11:53:36 PMwell in those threads you linked to tomd and carter were very aggresive
apple was sarcastic i'll agree, but he didnt insult or use bad language just put forward some points that tom didnt like
and twice is hardly consistsent really this is very old forum like activity
Lol. You make it seem like it was all fun and sunshine ........but I 'didnt like it'
No. You ........ I mean Apple came here to antagonize. Got called out , and then went utterly bananas.
There are several people on here who use old forum . They dont come here to fight with us . You do, I mean Apple.
The last thing we need here is in-fighting. Everyone here wants to create an alternative to old forum , and I think we can all agree that whatever problem we have with this forum, that same problem exists on old forum a hundred times worse. I'm just going to state my final opinions on these issues and then drop it. If you don't agree with me, then let's just agree to disagree and move on based on the common ground we do share.
Everyone here knows what old forum is. Everyone who will come here in the foreseeable future will know what old forum is. Removing links to old forum on this forum is not going to hurt old forum because links to old forum on this forum do not help old forum . It will have a negligible impact either way so it just comes off as being petty.
An_Apple_A_Day did not, in my opinion, make any ban-worthy posts. I just went back and read all of Apple's posts, and it seems that the others were the ones starting the fights because they didn't like what he had to say. Now Apple gets banned because one of those fights was against one of the forum's leaders. Again, this seems petty to me. I hope I'm wrong, and I apologize if I am, but I think if you replaced TomD's username with someone else's in that Rules thread then nobody would've been banned.
old forum Admin was a petty man who ran that forum to stroke his own ego first and to help others second. That's why I hadn't posted there in years and had nowhere to tell my LL story until this forum was started. When I saw his type of petty behavior from the leaders here (though to a much lesser degree I'll admit) it made me have to stop and think about whether or not I wanted to be a member of this forum anymore. The answer is yes. I'm going to keep posting here despite seeing some things I don't like, and I encourage everyone else who shares my opinions about old forum links and Apple's banning to do the same. Let's make this forum work.
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