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Quote from: Body Builder on June 04, 2018, 10:34:46 PMWhat other issues with my appearance do I have?
I am completely ok with my appearance generally except from my height which is just ok right now (not bad nor good) and I truly believe that when I reach 5.11 with another LL everything on dating will be much easier for me.
Just that, nothing more or less.
From the pics you say you could only see my thin (from muscle atrophy due to LL) legs with the monorails on, nothing else about my body or my facial characteristics. So what are my flaws that you've seen stupid liar? I have 47cm arms with less than 14% fat and a good face but I dont care to persuade you. I am just telling your lies about things you camt know as my pics showed nothing except from my tibias!
Nothing more than that!
And about my love life, I was almost never without a gf and I had sxx with at least 3x more women tham the average man (who had sxx with about 10 women in all of his life) and I am not even 30 yo.

And the absolutes you say I am talking about is that women grant a great importance to a man's height, so much that make it the number 1 trait in a man's appearance, a little above facial characteristics.

So before saying bs for someone that you dont know and tries to help fellow LL'ers- future LL'ers with his knowledge and experience about LL, think better and be more specific. Otherwise you are just a pathetic hater who insults without real evidence and have no life as your almost only post was about insulting me with lies.

So you did LL for women? (Not judging you just wondering)

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Quote from: Johnson1111 on June 04, 2018, 10:50:02 PM So you did LL for women? (Not judging you just wondering)

My first LL was to make me feel normal socially and ok in my everyday life. Not only women, anything (university and then job etc). At 1.68 and generally under 1.70 you are simply too short for many other people to take you seriously.

Now I dont have that problems but still I am not tall enough for many women as most of them nowadays date guys 5.11 and taller. So yes, dating with random women is not very easy for an 5.85 man even though I had good looks and a muscular body (regardless what the madman who doesnt seen me never wrote) and thats the main reason for my second LL.
To have the social benefit of a taller than average man.

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Quote from: Bruce Wayne on June 04, 2018, 09:31:24 PMYes, I can imagine that an LLed kickboxer would have a hard time in performing high kick. But guess what, an LLed kickboxer would be less likely to get his own head kicked since his head is now higher.

That doesn't follow at all. The other guy can still kick high. The LL kickboxer cannot.

Aside from that, there's still the matter of the LL kickboxer having weaker connective tissue, which is likely to slow down his movements significantly, not to mention his ability to produce force spontaneously

QuoteGood thing is I've never been a fan of kicking. I'm a puncher. All I need is stability/balance and I can throw hard punches. My legs would just serve as blockers to the opponent's low kicks/middle kicks.

Another one of your comic book daydreams. Lmao. I can't help but laugh whenever I see these power fantasies you have. I'm instantly reminded of this:



QuoteI certainly could benefit from the increased height which would make me less vulnerable to high kicks and possibly reach advantages since my shoulders would be higher and closer to the opponent's head level.

Lmao. There is no "reach advantage". Your legs are longer, which means your head is higher. That's it. Your arms are still the same length. After your surgery, there are two hypothetical possibilities as to the physique of your "opponent" in your delusions of movie superhero street fights:

Scenario 1: The other guy is equally as tall as or taller than you. Then the overwhelming likelihood (99%+) is that he is naturally that tall (i.e. not an LL patient like you), which also means that statistically speaking, it is also overwhelmingly likely that he has a larger wingspan, since he naturally grew into his height during his development period and is thus highly likely to have at least a neutral (but probably positive, since that is the tendency in humans) ape index.

Since your height is either equal to or less than his, but his wingspan is greater, your opponent has the reach advantage, not you.

Scenario 2: Your opponent is shorter than you. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not so pathetic that you're planning to spend $100,000+ and years in recovery time just to fight men who are shorter than you are right now, so we're going to go ahead and assume this hypothetical "shorter" opponent is no shorter than your original pre-LL height (5'6"). In that case, their wingspan will most likely be either equal to yours (if they're 5'6") or slightly greater than yours (if they're over 5'6" but still shorter than your post-LL height).

In that case, it will be difficult for them to attack your head,but it will be equally difficult for you to attack their heads, because your wingspans is exactly as short as his is (in the best case, when the opponent is 5'6"). The simple fact that your legs are longer isn't what gives you a reach advantage. A taller man's reach advantage over a shorter man comes from their larger wingspan, which allows them to make contact with a shorter opponent's body before the shorter opponent can make contact with him.

So, you don't have a reach advantage in this case either.

The ONLY advantage your longer legs would give you is that you wouldn't have to tilt your head up to look the other guy in the eye (which exposes your chin), and if you're fighting a shorter man (I would hope you're not planning to do this), you would be able to tuck your chin to look him in the eye while he would have to tilt his up.

QuoteMy only worry is the possible decrease in power of the tendon and loss of balance. These are very devastating.

They are, but this won't really hit you until after your surgery when you're practicing kung fu tricks in front of one of the many full body mirrors you no doubt have at home and you realize that your legs feel like they weigh a ton and your footwork has slowed down and is clumsier than before

QuoteBtw, mass gain is actually another advantage.

In people who naturally grew into their height and have a normal Center of Mass, yes.

QuoteMass × velocity = force. Meaning you can generate more power.

Um, no. Both these statements are wrong.

First, Force is the product of mass and acceleration, not velocity:

F = m * a = m * (dv/dt)

Where acceleration is defined as the change in velocity over a time interval (dv/dt). We can rewrite this equation to give us the acceleration produced on an object by a given Force:

a = F/m                       (1)

So the acceleration on an object is proportional to the magnitude of the Force acting upon it and inversely proportional to the object's mass. That is, the greater the object's mass, the less a given amount of Force will accelerate it.

One of the four equations of kinematics allows us to calculate an object's final velocity given its initial velocity, its acceleration, and the time interval:

vf = vi + a * t                            (2)

Substituting our earlier definition for a into this equation, we have

vf = vi + (F/m) * t                      (3)

Here we can see clearly that as m (your mass) increases, the product of the entire term [(F/m) * t] decreases, thus the entire sum (which is equal to vf) decreases. In real-world terms, it means that when a Force of a given magnitude acts on an object (in this case your body), its final velocity goes down as its mass increases.

We can put this in a much simpler way using Energy.

Kinetic energy is calculated as

K = 1/2 * m * (v2)                        (4)

Then, we can solve for the velocity v given an object's amount of kinetic energy and its mass:

v = sqrt([2 * K] / m)                                     (5)

And we can once again see in no uncertain terms that a given amount of energy can produce less velocity (change in distance over time; that is, work) as an object's mass increases.

Since your connective tissue is weaker after the surgery than before, it's irrational to conclude you'd be able to produce more force after the surgery than before it; in fact, you're much more likely to be able to generate LESS force after the surgery, since your distended connective tissue is now trying to accelerate a greater amount of bone mass

Second, Power is defined as

P = F * v                                               (6)

Remember that we proved through both (2) and (5) that the velocity of your post-surgery body parts will be SMALLER than it was before the surgery, not greater. Therefore the Power you generate will be smaller as well.

I recommend you spend less time reading comic books/watching superhero movies and fantasizing about being a kungfu secret agent badass and pick one of these up at your local bookstore ASAP

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Quote from: extremis on June 05, 2018, 02:21:11 AMThat doesn't follow at all. The other guy can still kick high. The LL kickboxer cannot.

Aside from that, there's still the matter of the LL kickboxer having weaker connective tissue, which is likely to slow down his movements significantly, not to mention his ability to produce force spontaneously

Another one of your comic book daydreams. Lmao. I can't help but laugh whenever I see these power fantasies you have. I'm instantly reminded of this:



Lmao. There is no "reach advantage". Your legs are longer, which means your head is higher. That's it. Your arms are still the same length. After your surgery, there are two hypothetical possibilities as to the physique of your "opponent" in your delusions of movie superhero street fights:

Scenario 1: The other guy is equally as tall as or taller than you. Then the overwhelming likelihood (99%+) is that he is naturally that tall (i.e. not an LL patient like you), which also means that statistically speaking, it is also overwhelmingly likely that he has a larger wingspan, since he naturally grew into his height during his development period and is thus highly likely to have at least a neutral (but probably positive, since that is the tendency in humans) ape index.

Since your height is either equal to or less than his, but his wingspan is greater, your opponent has the reach advantage, not you.

Scenario 2: Your opponent is shorter than you. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not so pathetic that you're planning to spend $100,000+ and years in recovery time just to fight men who are shorter than you are right now, so we're going to go ahead and assume this hypothetical "shorter" opponent is no shorter than your original pre-LL height (5'6"). In that case, their wingspan will most likely be either equal to yours (if they're 5'6") or slightly greater than yours (if they're over 5'6" but still shorter than your post-LL height).

In that case, it will be difficult for them to attack your head,but it will be equally difficult for you to attack their heads, because your wingspans is exactly as short as his is (in the best case, when the opponent is 5'6"). The simple fact that your legs are longer isn't what gives you a reach advantage. A taller man's reach advantage over a shorter man comes from their larger wingspan, which allows them to make contact with a shorter opponent's body before the shorter opponent can make contact with him.

So, you don't have a reach advantage in this case either.

The ONLY advantage your longer legs would give you is that you wouldn't have to tilt your head up to look the other guy in the eye (which exposes your chin), and if you're fighting a shorter man (I would hope you're not planning to do this), you would be able to tuck your chin to look him in the eye while he would have to tilt his up.

They are, but this won't really hit you until after your surgery when you're practicing kung fu tricks in front of one of the many full body mirrors you no doubt have at home and you realize that your legs feel like they weigh a ton and your footwork has slowed down and is clumsier than before

In people who naturally grew into their height and have a normal Center of Mass, yes.

Um, no. Both these statements are wrong.

First, Force is the product of mass and acceleration, not velocity:

F = m * a = m * (dv/dt)

Where acceleration is defined as the change in velocity over a time interval (dv/dt). We can rewrite this equation to give us the acceleration produced on an object by a given Force:

a = F/m                       (1)

So the acceleration on an object is proportional to the magnitude of the Force acting upon it and inversely proportional to the object's mass. That is, the greater the object's mass, the less a given amount of Force will accelerate it.

One of the four equations of kinematics allows us to calculate an object's final velocity given its initial velocity, its acceleration, and the time interval:

vf = vi + a * t                            (2)

Substituting our earlier definition for a into this equation, we have

vf = vi + (F/m) * t                      (3)

Here we can see clearly that as m (your mass) increases, the product of the entire term [(F/m) * t] decreases, thus the entire sum (which is equal to vf) decreases. In real-world terms, it means that when a Force of a given magnitude acts on an object (in this case your body), its final velocity goes down as its mass increases.

We can put this in a much simpler way using Energy.

Kinetic energy is calculated as

K = 1/2 * m * (v2)                        (4)

Then, we can solve for the velocity v given an object's amount of kinetic energy and its mass:

v = sqrt([2 * K] / m)                                     (5)

And we can once again see in no uncertain terms that a given amount of energy can produce less velocity (change in distance over time; that is, work) as an object's mass increases.

Since your connective tissue is weaker after the surgery than before, it's irrational to conclude you'd be able to produce more force after the surgery than before it; in fact, you're much more likely to be able to generate LESS force after the surgery, since your distended connective tissue is now trying to accelerate a greater amount of bone mass

Second, Power is defined as

P = F * v                                               (6)

Remember that we proved through both (2) and (5) that the velocity of your post-surgery body parts will be SMALLER than it was before the surgery, not greater. Therefore the Power you generate will be smaller as well.

I recommend you spend less time reading comic books/watching superhero movies and fantasizing about being a kungfu secret agent badass and pick one of these up at your local bookstore ASAP

I see you've mentioned that you can't afford to lose alot of the physical ability you have with LL. So are you planning on waiting for an alternative, or are you feeling that LL is most likely the only option at this point, if anything at all?

If the first option, what do you think the timeline is realistically for a more preferable method that allows us to maintain more of our athletic ability?

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Quote from: Body Builder on June 05, 2018, 12:12:19 AMMy first LL was to make me feel normal socially and ok in my everyday life. Not only women, anything (university and then job etc). At 1.68 and generally under 1.70 you are simply too short for many other people to take you seriously.

Now I dont have that problems but still I am not tall enough for many women as most of them nowadays date guys 5.11 and taller. So yes, dating with random women is not very easy for an 5.85 man even though I had good looks and a muscular body (regardless what the madman who doesnt seen me never wrote) and thats the main reason for my second LL.
To have the social benefit of a taller than average man.

I know what you mean about the height. I honestly think with how much people fabricate height that 5'11" is most likely to be perceived as 6'1" in the US. Especially with the athlete listings and fabrication of men and women lying about their height online. Since so many watch sports and even high schools list their players as taller they carry those heights to their everyday life and skew the perception of height.

I could be wrong but a legitimate 5'11" with an over 6' wingspan looks fairly tall. Might just be because i'm short lol.

I have been doing a bit of a test in the last couple months. Just casually asking friends and some family their height. I legitimately think over 90% of them were wrong, and maybe 50% of those 90% didn't even realize they were wrong. I have a friend who is 6'2" on his license but he's only 3.5-4 inches taller than myself and i'm 5'7" upon waking up lol.

Anyone that wants to do LL at 5'11" is a legitimate retard. 5'11" WITH FULL athletic ability??! That's an ideal height with ideal ROM and athletic ability. Most people on the earth would be more than satisfied with that. They'd be thrilled.

Best of luck to you bodybuilder. If we're ever around the same area doing LL with STRYDE we should get in a lift together since we'll be able to weight bear 

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Quote from: Johnson1111 on June 05, 2018, 03:19:26 AMI see you've mentioned that you can't afford to lose alot of the physical ability you have with LL. So are you planning on waiting for an alternative, or are you feeling that LL is most likely the only option at this point, if anything at all?

That's my intention at present. Rather I should say I really have no choice. I'm not interested in increasing my height for social or sexual reasons. I stopped caring about these things a long time ago. I have other personal reasons for needing a non athletically crippling solution. I've met a fair number of people who also won't get Distraction Osteogenesis-based LL because they have athletic aspirations or otherwise.

QuoteIf the first option, what do you think the timeline is realistically for a more preferable method that allows us to maintain more of our athletic ability?

I've always said on this forum (and I'll repeat it here) that a realistic, non-athletically crippling, cheaper, and safer alternative to CLL could be developed within a decade or even sooner IF AND ONLY IF interested parties (i.e. short men everywhere in the world) were to rally together in forums like this and make plans to crowdfund researchers like Dr. Alexander Teplyashin and Dr. Eben Alsberg.

Dr. Alsberg produced artificial epiphyseal cartilage ("growth plates") in vitro using a grant of around $150,000:

http://grantome.com/grant/NIH/R21-AR061265-02

Dr. Teplyashin did something similar and even tested it on sheep (all the sheep grew successfully), and even tried his technique on a Russian woman, successfully regrowing her phalanx (finger bone; use Google translate on the article):

https://www.kp.ru/daily/26526.3/3544077/

Then literally every other day there are massive medical breakthroughs in the field of stem cell technology (induced Pluripotent Stem Cells are the latest major breakthrough; these are a type of stem cell that can differentiate, or "transform", into any type of cell, including chondrocytes, which make up cartilage such as growth plates). Earlier this year, someone posted this:

https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5059447,00.html

An israeli surgeon developed a fat-grafting technique for bone tissue. He literally says it could be applied cosmetically to idiopathic short statured patients and that it would significantly increase their quality of life (Use Google Translate on article). This isn't QUITE what we're looking for, but it's evidence that CLL isn't "all we'll ever have in our lifetimes" and that it isn't "the best we can do" with current technology".

One of the roadblocks to implanting artificial epiphyseal cartilage made from induced Pluripotent Stem Cells would be an effective scaffold system (one that would be biocompatible AND biodegradable), which would be necessary to implant the cartilage at the epiphyseal region. Well, guess what happened this month?

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180521092744.htm

QuoteDate:
May 21, 2018
Source:
UCLA Samueli School of Engineering
Summary:
Scientists have developed a specially adapted 3D printer to build therapeutic biomaterials from multiple materials. The advance could be a step toward on-demand printing of complex artificial tissues for use in transplants and other surgeries.

A UCLA Samueli-led team has developed a specially adapted 3D printer to build therapeutic biomaterials from multiple materials. The advance could be a step toward on-demand printing of complex artificial tissues for use in transplants and other surgeries.
[...]
The researchers used different types of hydrogels -- materials that, after passing through the printer, form scaffolds for tissue to grow into. The micromirrors direct light onto the printing surface, and the illuminated areas indicate the outline of the 3D object that's being printed. The light also triggers molecular bonds to form in the materials, which causes the gels to firm into solid material. As the 3D object is printed, the mirror array changes the light pattern to indicate the shape of each new layer.
[...]
The researchers first used the process to make simple shapes, such as pyramids. Then, they made complex 3D structures that mimicked parts of muscle tissue and muscle-skeleton connective tissues. They also printed shapes mimicking tumors with networks of blood vessels, which could be used as biological models to study cancers. They tested the printed structures by implanting them in rats. The structures were not rejected.

This is why I laugh when Body Builder dismisses the idea of a superior procedure to distraction osteogenesis being available within 10 years as a "fairy tale" or other such nonsense. It's always people who know nothing about science and have no conception of how fast scientific progress works who say that type of thing. Charles Darwin said it best:



Technology that is available and has been used TODAY, RIGHT NOW, AT THIS PRESENT MOMENT, which 10 years ago would have been called "fairy tale" or "sci-fi" fantasies:

Self-driving cars



AI with voice indistinguishable from a human being that can make appointments for you over the phone:



Rocket ships that can land upright after takeoff:



Cybernetic prosthesis that is fully mind-controlled and can FEEL:



These things are an example of what happens when an issue gets ATTENTION. If short stature had even as much attention as something like hair loss (let alone AI or space travel or cybernetic prostheses), we'd have a better solution by 2020, forget 10 years. The various technological advances that would be required for the creation and implantation of artificial growth plates is already HERE. It already EXISTS.

It's just that no one is trying to "connect the dots" and come up with a height increase procedure because everyone is too busy virtue signaling and trying to get short men to "feel better about themselves" and cope with bullsh*t like therapy and antidepressants instead of pushing for PERMANENT, PHYSICAL solutions to their physical problem, because doing that would mean humans would have to accept that they're not "good" like they've been indoctrinated to believe by their diet of Disney/Hollywood movies and that they've been systematically discriminating and oppressing conventionally unattractive (short, ugly, etc) men to the point that the aforementioned become suicidally depressed and unwilling to participate in their society.

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Quote from: extremis on June 05, 2018, 02:21:11 AMThat doesn't follow at all. The other guy can still kick high. The LL kickboxer cannot.

Aside from that, there's still the matter of the LL kickboxer having weaker connective tissue, which is likely to slow down his movements significantly, not to mention his ability to produce force spontaneously

Another one of your comic book daydreams. Lmao. I can't help but laugh whenever I see these power fantasies you have. I'm instantly reminded of this:



Lmao. There is no "reach advantage". Your legs are longer, which means your head is higher. That's it. Your arms are still the same length. After your surgery, there are two hypothetical possibilities as to the physique of your "opponent" in your delusions of movie superhero street fights:

Scenario 1: The other guy is equally as tall as or taller than you. Then the overwhelming likelihood (99%+) is that he is naturally that tall (i.e. not an LL patient like you), which also means that statistically speaking, it is also overwhelmingly likely that he has a larger wingspan, since he naturally grew into his height during his development period and is thus highly likely to have at least a neutral (but probably positive, since that is the tendency in humans) ape index.

Since your height is either equal to or less than his, but his wingspan is greater, your opponent has the reach advantage, not you.

Scenario 2: Your opponent is shorter than you. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not so pathetic that you're planning to spend $100,000+ and years in recovery time just to fight men who are shorter than you are right now, so we're going to go ahead and assume this hypothetical "shorter" opponent is no shorter than your original pre-LL height (5'6"). In that case, their wingspan will most likely be either equal to yours (if they're 5'6") or slightly greater than yours (if they're over 5'6" but still shorter than your post-LL height).

In that case, it will be difficult for them to attack your head,but it will be equally difficult for you to attack their heads, because your wingspans is exactly as short as his is (in the best case, when the opponent is 5'6"). The simple fact that your legs are longer isn't what gives you a reach advantage. A taller man's reach advantage over a shorter man comes from their larger wingspan, which allows them to make contact with a shorter opponent's body before the shorter opponent can make contact with him.

So, you don't have a reach advantage in this case either.

The ONLY advantage your longer legs would give you is that you wouldn't have to tilt your head up to look the other guy in the eye (which exposes your chin), and if you're fighting a shorter man (I would hope you're not planning to do this), you would be able to tuck your chin to look him in the eye while he would have to tilt his up.

They are, but this won't really hit you until after your surgery when you're practicing kung fu tricks in front of one of the many full body mirrors you no doubt have at home and you realize that your legs feel like they weigh a ton and your footwork has slowed down and is clumsier than before

In people who naturally grew into their height and have a normal Center of Mass, yes.

Um, no. Both these statements are wrong.

First, Force is the product of mass and acceleration, not velocity:

F = m * a = m * (dv/dt)

Where acceleration is defined as the change in velocity over a time interval (dv/dt). We can rewrite this equation to give us the acceleration produced on an object by a given Force:

a = F/m                       (1)

So the acceleration on an object is proportional to the magnitude of the Force acting upon it and inversely proportional to the object's mass. That is, the greater the object's mass, the less a given amount of Force will accelerate it.

One of the four equations of kinematics allows us to calculate an object's final velocity given its initial velocity, its acceleration, and the time interval:

vf = vi + a * t                            (2)

Substituting our earlier definition for a into this equation, we have

vf = vi + (F/m) * t                      (3)

Here we can see clearly that as m (your mass) increases, the product of the entire term [(F/m) * t] decreases, thus the entire sum (which is equal to vf) decreases. In real-world terms, it means that when a Force of a given magnitude acts on an object (in this case your body), its final velocity goes down as its mass increases.

We can put this in a much simpler way using Energy.

Kinetic energy is calculated as

K = 1/2 * m * (v2)                        (4)

Then, we can solve for the velocity v given an object's amount of kinetic energy and its mass:

v = sqrt([2 * K] / m)                                     (5)

And we can once again see in no uncertain terms that a given amount of energy can produce less velocity (change in distance over time; that is, work) as an object's mass increases.

Since your connective tissue is weaker after the surgery than before, it's irrational to conclude you'd be able to produce more force after the surgery than before it; in fact, you're much more likely to be able to generate LESS force after the surgery, since your distended connective tissue is now trying to accelerate a greater amount of bone mass

Second, Power is defined as

P = F * v                                               (6)

Remember that we proved through both (2) and (5) that the velocity of your post-surgery body parts will be SMALLER than it was before the surgery, not greater. Therefore the Power you generate will be smaller as well.

I recommend you spend less time reading comic books/watching superhero movies and fantasizing about being a kungfu secret agent badass and pick one of these up at your local bookstore ASAP

You even have no idea of what power fantasies are. Point out when I said I was gonna fly/disappear/etc. Everything I said was within the realms of possibility.

Yes, everyone has to have plans. A boxer with no plans are like a solider going to war without strategy. Speaking of boxer, I highly doubt that Mike Tyson went to his fights reading your book. I have no interest in becoming Albert Einstein or keyboard warrior (such as yourself).

My points stay.

1. Less likely to get my head kicked

2. Not exactly reach advantages. Could be easier to reach his head.

I'm not sure about athletic mobility getting much reduced. Paley claimed his patients returned to sports at previous level. Maybe not exactly, but close enough.

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Quote from: Johnson1111 on June 05, 2018, 03:39:39 AMI know what you mean about the height. I honestly think with how much people fabricate height that 5'11" is most likely to be perceived as 6'1" in the US. Especially with the athlete listings and fabrication of men and women lying about their height online. Since so many watch sports and even high schools list their players as taller they carry those heights to their everyday life and skew the perception of height.

I could be wrong but a legitimate 5'11" with an over 6' wingspan looks fairly tall. Might just be because i'm short lol.

I have been doing a bit of a test in the last couple months. Just casually asking friends and some family their height. I legitimately think over 90% of them were wrong, and maybe 50% of those 90% didn't even realize they were wrong. I have a friend who is 6'2" on his license but he's only 3.5-4 inches taller than myself and i'm 5'7" upon waking up lol.

Anyone that wants to do LL at 5'11" is a legitimate retard. 5'11" WITH FULL athletic ability??! That's an ideal height with ideal ROM and athletic ability. Most people on the earth would be more than satisfied with that. They'd be thrilled.

Best of luck to you bodybuilder. If we're ever around the same area doing LL with STRYDE we should get in a lift together since we'll be able to weight bear 

Valid points. In about 2 years from now and a little less I'll be able to do it with Stryde. I wish you too.

Extremis, LL with externals is here for more than 60 years and internals for more than 20 and all that time nothing else appeared to change height and all that time millions of people would like to change their heights (including very rich ones) with a safe alternative. So thinking that in 10 years that will happen, although we are not even a little close to that, is at least delusional.
Personally I think that with genome choice for infants, parents will remove genes that make a baby short, so for adults nothing will happen to change height except from LL. If not, then not even in 20-30 years we wont have a safe alternative. If you wont to become old and still wait for a miracle then so be it. For me, anyone who thinks realistically knows that Stryde is the best we can have for now and the next decades so it is now or never situation for all of us who want to get taller.
Personally, if I had the money I'll do it even today.

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Man, it would be such a dream come true if humanity would find an effective alternative to LL soon. It could make hundreds of thousands of lives better. But the problem is this kind of research is such a niche thing and you can't know who to trust. Sure, I could withdraw all my savings today and send it to some Russian doctor to fund his work of which I have no idea will ever give us a solution within our lifetimes. Sure, it's an inspirational thought that at least our descendants will no longer have to be short in 500 years or so, but there is no guarantee this research will lead to anything soon. I agree though that it could be a huge economic motivation for investors once they saw how many people would pay a lot of money to get taller.

Just think of the Mars One project which turned out to be a scam. A lot of people donated money to get humans to Mars. A lot of people wasted their money. So for an individual, it's still a big conflict of interest whether he should fund some research project (which could turn out to be a scam too) or keep his money (to possibly finance LL in the future).

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We will see more investment and capital going in this direction as we get older. I don't think the demand has been going unnoticed. Paley asks a minimum of around 90k and has over 100 cosmetic patients a year, if I recall all the information correctly. That's just one doctor. We also know how difficult CLL through distraction osteogenesis is. Yet, he gets these numbers - despite the costs, risks, and amount of time required in one's life. Just imagine if (when) a better procedure pops up.

It's just a bit odd of a feeling to realize we'll most likely be able to change the color of our irises before a better alternative to distraction osteogenesis appears. You know the latter case requires a lot bigger scientific foundation all coming to work together, but it just feels a bit weird. We also won't truly know how safe this eye color changing procedure will be, anyway...