Quote from: myloginacct on January 22, 2018, 10:00:38 AMHeight doesn't matter that much if at 6 feet (or close to it) you're still giving off an aura of incredible, obnoxious narcissism. Just saying.
And someone tell Bill Gates he's excluded from the high status environments because he's not 6 feet. 
You asked, I answered.
Don't be upset with me because I spoke powerfully and you couldn't relate to it.
The world isn't a fair place. Taller, better looking, narcissistic people will always have a better time than you, and they'll ignore you while they do it. So look to compete young man. There's men are willing to fk, and men women want to fk, and it's in your best interest to become the latter.
But all in all, everything is cool my man. I hope you have a good day. It's a silly measure at the end of the day, and not so serious. All will be ok either way.
5'7 and more who want ll do you know the reason of your complex?
Quote from: Nathond1 on January 22, 2018, 08:54:33 AMTo be competitive.
I'm 5'8 (173 cm)
I live in the midwest, think gentrified middle class white communities all college educated 300k or more house. Think beautiful beautiful tall white girls, a model scout would have a hayday here.
The truth of the matter is, everyone in a high status environment (a nightclub, a big city, a large corporation, etc) is 6'+. Physical stature is an extremely important thing, in life, in dating, in being a man. at 5'8, 155 lbs, I'm simply too small of a male to be competitive in these environments. Sure, I can go out and have a good time, I can make it.. 5'8 isn't THAT limited, but let's be honest here and say that whatever speciousness I may possess gets the volume knob turned way down by my height.
And that's just not something I'm okay with in this lifetime. I work very hard. I have a good dating life, I'm very happy with my life.
But the simply fact of the matter is, I'm not competitive. Almost every man in these environments has atleast 3 inches and 30 pounds on me. It's not an insurmountable advantage, it's just not one I am willing to entertain when there's a solution. That's just who I am. I want to live my best life.
I don't think life is fair, and I don't think you should play by the rules. I'm actually a blessed person, I have a lot of good genetics to be thankful for, but that only in-satiates my lust to actualize some of these cosmetic, extra-curricular surgeries and pursuits. Why should I not fulfill my highest potential, if I'm so close to the top? Why should I be an unacceptable height for a certain type of beautiful women when I'm so close to being on her level or above?
I still have tens of thousands of hellos, and nice to meet yous to say. I'm 20. In double my lifetime on this earth, I'll only be a wealthier, stronger, more prime man. I'll probably even still be good looking at 55.
It just doesn't make sense to me, to choose to live an inferior life of being the same size as the beautiful girls you're trying to hook up with, to get girls, but to have them not really care about you and see you as someone valuable enough to pursue, when it's all defeated.. Completely defeated, with 3 inches, 5'11. And that's available to me with only the sacrifice of two years of my 70+ year life. That's just simply not in my nature. I want to be competitive in this lifetime.
I just honestly, all in all, believe in myself. I believe I'm worth it, and that money invested into myself will have great returns. Why shouldn't I pursue this, knowing that? Like I said, I have a lifetime of meeting beautiful like-minded people. I just want to roll up to as young and beautiful as I ever will be. If that's neurotic and narcissistic, it's ok, that's just what I'm going to do with my life. 
Good points.
I see it the same as you although my height was much worse than yours and I am just a bit taller than you after my first LL.
Now I feel normal but still not good enough to live as I 2ant to live and have the successes I want, especially on dating.
With another LL that I plan to do in maybe less than 2 years from now I'l become as you say "competitive" to all the men even of the top looks.
Anyway, well said.
Quote from: Nathond1 on January 22, 2018, 10:41:58 AMThe world isn't a fair place. Taller, better looking, narcissistic people will always have a better time than you, and they'll ignore you while they do it. So look to compete young man. There's men are willing to fk, and men women want to fk, and it's in your best interest to become the latter.
That's a little ridiculous. Good-looking people do not all have the dream lives you imagine them to have. They can suffer from depression, anxiety, uncertainty and catastrophic events just like regular people. A lot of women can still find shorter guys attractive, especially if they are "only" 5'8'' like you are. And the hottest girls aren't a million times better than average looking women. Like, sxx with an 8/10 isn't twice as good as sxx with a 4/10, that's not how it works (I personally don't use these number ratings, but you get what I mean).
Every successful person in the Midwest is tall? Even if that is true, it's different in different places, such as California, which, as some posters here have confirmed, is a great place for shorter guys, because of its ethnic diversity. People like Mark Zuckerberg aren't tall and have made it. I mean, I totally get where you're coming from, height has advantages and makes many things easier, but you take it way too far. It's understandable, you're very young, and it takes time to see the nuances....or not.
LL is an option, no denying that. But it carries huge risks and costs, not simply "it takes 2 years of my life and that's the only sacrifice" as you seem to believe, you can potentially cripple yourself and suffer pain for the rest of your life. Even if you go to the most expensive doctor available - look up the diary of Unicorn. If you feel "towered and dominated" by 6 feet dudes, just imagine how dominated you would feel if you knew they could beat you up and outrun you at any moment, because you have the mobility and physical condition of a 60+ year old. That might not happen, you might do fine after LL, but you might also not. Like I said, it's an option and you're free to do it. But think, think for a very long time.
Quote from: myloginacct on January 22, 2018, 10:00:38 AMAnd someone tell Bill Gates he's excluded from the high status environments because he's not 6 feet.
Of course, you don't get excluded from high status environments simply for being short. But it is easier to access and navigate such environments if you are over 6 feet.
Quote from: Nathond1 on January 22, 2018, 10:41:58 AMYou asked, I answered.
Don't be upset with me because I spoke powerfully and you couldn't relate to it.
The world isn't a fair place. Taller, better looking, narcissistic people will always have a better time than you, and they'll ignore you while they do it. So look to compete young man. There's men are willing to fk, and men women want to fk, and it's in your best interest to become the latter.
But all in all, everything is cool my man. I hope you have a good day. It's a silly measure at the end of the day, and not so serious. All will be ok either way.
It wasn't about what you said; I was merely giving you a serious tip for the future.
Quote from: Midwest on January 22, 2018, 01:20:12 PMOf course, you don't get excluded from high status environments simply for being short. But it is easier to access and navigate such environments if you are over 6 feet.
Heightism culture in the US is absolutely insane if people truly take this to heart. There are loads of successful American CEOs of Indian, Latino and East Asian background who aren't 6 feet. The most immediate examples of huge American CEOs that come to my mind, Jeff Bezos, Zuckerberg, and Satya Nadella aren't even in the 180cms tall. In fact, Jeff and Zuckerberg are 5'7, and Satya is 5'9.
Quote from: myloginacct on January 22, 2018, 03:18:38 PMHeightism culture in the US is absolutely insane if people truly take this to heart. There are loads of successful American CEOs of Indian, Latino and East Asian background who aren't 6 feet. The most immediate examples of huge American CEOs that come to my mind, Jeff Bezos, Zuckerberg, and Satya Nadella aren't even in the 180cms tall. In fact, Jeff and Zuckerberg are 5'7, and Satya is 5'9.
No one is denying what you are saying. Yes, Jeff Bezos is the richest man in the world, and he's only 5'7". But he would have gotten there sooner if he was tall.
Let me put it another way. If you were going to be making a business presentation before Jeff Bezos and other Amazon bigwigs, would you want to be 6'2" and Bezos be 5'7' or the other way around? Of course, you would want to be the 6'2" guy if you had the choice. And Bezos would want the reverse if he had the choice.
Quote from: Nathond1 on January 22, 2018, 08:54:33 AM
I don't think life is fair, and I don't think you should play by the rules. I'm actually a blessed person, I have a lot of good genetics to be thankful for, but that only in-satiates my lust to actualize some of these cosmetic, extra-curricular surgeries and pursuits. Why should I not fulfill my highest potential, if I'm so close to the top? Why should I be an unacceptable height for a certain type of beautiful women when I'm so close to being on her level or above?
There is no reason that you (or me or anyone) should not reach our highest potential, especially if we are so close to the top. My height isn't quite as bad as yours, but I totally understand becuae I'm in a similar place.
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on January 22, 2018, 01:06:25 PMThat's a little ridiculous. Good-looking people do not all have the dream lives you imagine them to have. They can suffer from depression, anxiety, uncertainty and catastrophic events just like regular people. A lot of women can still find shorter guys attractive, especially if they are "only" 5'8'' like you are. And the hottest girls aren't a million times better than average looking women. Like, sxx with an 8/10 isn't twice as good as sxx with a 4/10, that's not how it works (I personally don't use these number ratings, but you get what I mean).
Every successful person in the Midwest is tall? Even if that is true, it's different in different places, such as California, which, as some posters here have confirmed, is a great place for shorter guys, because of its ethnic diversity. People like Mark Zuckerberg aren't tall and have made it. I mean, I totally get where you're coming from, height has advantages and makes many things easier, but you take it way too far. It's understandable, you're very young, and it takes time to see the nuances....or not.
LL is an option, no denying that. But it carries huge risks and costs, not simply "it takes 2 years of my life and that's the only sacrifice" as you seem to believe, you can potentially cripple yourself and suffer pain for the rest of your life. Even if you go to the most expensive doctor available - look up the diary of Unicorn. If you feel "towered and dominated" by 6 feet dudes, just imagine how dominated you would feel if you knew they could beat you up and outrun you at any moment, because you have the mobility and physical condition of a 60+ year old. That might not happen, you might do fine after LL, but you might also not. Like I said, it's an option and you're free to do it. But think, think for a very long time.
Having sex with an 8/10 woman is not 2 times better than doing it with a 4/10 woman, it is 100 times better.
To be more specific, having sex with a 4/10 woman is not even good most of the times for a man that respects himself and has good looks.
So no, being beautiful for a woman is much important and makes a huge differemce to be with a real good looking womam compared to a just average one.
For ugly women I don't care as I can't be attracted to them at all.
The same happens with the majority of women and really short men.
Quote from: Body Builder on January 22, 2018, 09:38:39 PMHaving sxx with an 8/10 woman is not 2 times better than doing it with a 4/10 woman, it is 100 times better.
This is one of the rare cases where I agree with you not 100% but 100000%.
Aside from that, you don't have to be a 10 in order to sleep with a 10. Nor do you need to be an 8 to sleep with an 8+.
You need to look good enough. For each women it is different.
If you are a really short man (5'5 and below) it will be very hard. If you are a little below average (bodybuilder's original height), and you have the looks, you will be able to sleep with hot cheeks no prob.
If someone sex requirements towards women end at only looking good then i feel sorry for you lmao
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on January 22, 2018, 10:08:02 PM This is one of the rare cases where I agree with you not 100% but 100000%.
Aside from that, you don't have to be a 10 in order to sleep with a 10. Nor do you need to be an 8 to sleep with an 8+.
You need to look good enough. For each women it is different.
If you are a really short man (5'5 and below) it will be very hard. If you are a little below average (bodybuilder's original height), and you have the looks, you will be able to sleep with hot cheeks no prob.
My original height was 1.68.
I think you mean my current height which is 1.75 (both morning heights) which is still not enough for the majority of really hot women unless you are rich and/or famous.
But yes, at my current height I can date some good looking women who I wouldn't at my initial height.
If I hit 1.80 I am sure that my pool date will be really large considering I am generally above average looking.
But I'll write my experiences when I'll do it.
For now I can only talk about the heights I've been and I am now.
Yourspaceboyfriend, attraction is the most important thing in dating and yes, a very good looking woman, unless she is dumb or have killer insticts, is what every man wants.
Not the only thing (apearance) but the most important, at least for me and the men I know.
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