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Posted on Mar 20, 2021, 9:08 am
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What gives confidence to patients and surgeons that during lengthening blood vessels, nerves and muscles regenerate and don't degrade in physical characteristics due to stretching? Are there studies on this? I have not seen a single study anywhere. All studies are about how patients feel after lengthening but not how the nerves, blood vessels and muscles change at a biological and microscopic level.

Let's say after LL you feel normal but your blood vessels have become 20% narrower. In your late 40s you get mild diabetes or cholesterol and because your blood vessels are narrower you are at a risk of blood clots.

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Posted on Mar 20, 2021, 9:51 am
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Quote from: indian on March 20, 2021, 09:34:56 AMThey repair and regenerate themselves over time. In that much time your bone will pretty much replace itself and so does other parts.

How do you know? there are no studies on this.

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Posted on Mar 20, 2021, 12:57 pm
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Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on March 20, 2021, 12:43:52 PMDoctors have examined the tissues.  They're not stretched out like silly putty over the new bone.


Are there studies?
And what about nerves and blood vessels?

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Posted on Mar 20, 2021, 1:01 pm
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I have messaged Michael Assayag, surely he would know and hopefully respond here.

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Posted on Mar 20, 2021, 2:06 pm
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Quote from: readyprecisestryde on March 20, 2021, 01:42:20 PMPaley told me nerves regenerate 1mm per day and recommends to keep the lengthening 1mm or less per day. I am not sure about the muscles though


Yeah nerves are generally known to heal except around the spine. Still some studies would be nice to have.

What about blood vessels (arteries and veins)?

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Posted on Mar 20, 2021, 3:43 pm
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Quote from: indian on March 20, 2021, 03:05:17 PMIt's basic biology.


 Effect of LL on muscles, blood vessels and nerves Can you tell me which chapter in 7th grade this was taught in?

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Posted on Mar 20, 2021, 3:44 pm
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Quote from: REBORN on March 20, 2021, 03:08:30 PMHere's the study
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2910611/


This study was performed on canines (okay we might assume that the changes would be similar in humans) and no analysis on blood vessels and nerves is made. The study is focused on tissues.

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Posted on Mar 20, 2021, 5:55 pm
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Quote from: indian on March 20, 2021, 04:04:09 PMpeople cut their blood vesseles and nerves all the time in accidents and other things. My friend cut his blood vessel in an accident and almost died by bleeding it he recovered and they regenerate. If you'll google enough you'll find some proof.


Broken blood vessel is different from a stretched blood vessel. How do you know that the diameter of a blood vessel doesn't reduce with stretching?

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Posted on Mar 20, 2021, 9:09 pm
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Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on March 20, 2021, 08:53:17 PMBecause they're made of cells.


So stretching any part of the body that has living cells means that it will regenerate and not reduce in width?

Will that apply to the liver and kidneys? Effect of LL on muscles, blood vessels and nerves Do you think we could surgically break some vertebrae and put a lengthening plate and lengthen them and all the organs in the torso would regenerate and behave normally?

edit = I'm not seriously suggesting torso lengthening, I just brought that up to prove my point that stretching any living body of cells doesn't mean proper regeneration.

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Posted on Mar 21, 2021, 6:43 am
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Thank you so much maximize.

As for your worry about misalignment, it's a fixable problem. Down the line if you develop problems, fixing alignment is far easier than LL. There are procedures like HTO which have quicker recovery time than LL. No one enjoys surgery but misalignment pertains to bones which can be fixed.

The problems caused due to stretching if any are fundamental and not something reversible even with shortening. With shortening the problem is, blood vessels might have adapted well to the new length but not muscles, so when you shorten, muscles would be happy but blood vessels would not be since they would have grown.

The same way you argue that even if muscles don't regenerate you would be like a less flexible person, I would argue that even if your alignment isn't perfect after LL you would like those people who don't have perfect alignment but get by just fine. Look around and you will see people with bow legs, knock knees, mild length discrepancy and not everyone tries to get them fixed. My alignment is not perfect to begin with, so LL might even make it more theoretically correct for example.

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