Quote from: TemakiSushi on November 06, 2019, 10:04:59 AMThe guy who hit 7.6cm tibia without getting ballerina did 6 to 8 hours of standing calf stretch with an inclined wedge everyday without counting break time, never had a day off.
He said if didn’t do long hours stretching, next day it would be harder to stretch
Less than 5 hours is not good
If aiming over 7cm, really need 7 hours a day average or even more if you are doing after femurs.
https://images.app.goo.gl/nSLLtqUPe7sLULTG6
Also I heard this balance board is good for stretching both AT and IT bands
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Trademark-Innovations-15-5-in-Tan-Wood-Wobble-Balance-Board-Balance-Trainer-BALBRD-WOOD/303046322
If consolidation speed allows, better to slow down lengthening speed to reduce pain
Wow thank you this is very useful!!
Perhaps i should post my current stretching routin so yall can give me input
But so far what i’ve been doing is every hour i’ll go stand on the board for 12 minutes. 6 mins is a dedicated achilles area stretch (you bend you knee and push it forward) and other 6 minutes is a straight leg stretch for the upper calf area
So far i’ve been hitting it every hour so in a day roughly 8-12 times so total stretch time would be.. 12x10 120 mins so 2 hours!! Wow i’m slacking
Can I get more information? Did he just stand on it what was the strategy? Is there a forum
Thank you so much i really wanna hit as close to 8 as possible
Femurs & Tibias with Dr Paley
Quote from: LittleLA on November 06, 2019, 09:38:39 AMWow. You’re a badasss dude! Very inspiring. 7.5cm would mean you’d almost hit 6” in a little over a year... that must be life changing! Rooting for you man, keep pushing!
Thank you! And honestly i cannot express how life changing this is. Im going from being a 5’5 dude to a 5’11 guy no shoes, with shoes i’ll be 6ft maybe 6’1 with lifts . All of my friends will notice but frankly idgaf. I will not apologize for being me. I wont tell them I did LL maybe ill say i did HGH or late bloomer but yes this is a very life changing thing no doubt
Quote from: MyEvolution on November 06, 2019, 02:57:08 PMThank you! And honestly i cannot express how life changing this is. Im going from being a 5’5 dude to a 5’11 guy no shoes, with shoes i’ll be 6ft maybe 6’1 with lifts . All of my friends will notice but frankly idgaf. I will not apologize for being me. I wont tell them I did LL maybe ill say i did HGH or late bloomer but yes this is a very life changing thing no doubt
I'm so happy for you, man. KEEP.GOING.STRONG. I know you are.
Quote from: MyEvolution on November 06, 2019, 02:54:18 PMWow thank you this is very useful!!
Perhaps i should post my current stretching routin so yall can give me input
But so far what i’ve been doing is every hour i’ll go stand on the board for 12 minutes. 6 mins is a dedicated achilles area stretch (you bend you knee and push it forward) and other 6 minutes is a straight leg stretch for the upper calf area
So far i’ve been hitting it every hour so in a day roughly 8-12 times so total stretch time would be.. 12x10 120 mins so 2 hours!! Wow i’m slacking
Can I get more information? Did he just stand on it what was the strategy? Is there a forum
Thank you so much i really wanna hit as close to 8 as possible
He continued standing calf stretch with a wedge for about an hour or so depending on the muscle condition; when muscle started to shake, he stopped stretching and had some minutes of break, repeated this at least several time a day
Also used leg press machine to stretch knees, pushing away and holding the heavy board with straight legs
never stopped stretching exercise even when he had pin site infections
It’s super painful to do exercise with infections but continued with oxycodone or some injections
when he started having slight contracture in his knees towards the end of lengthening, he spent more time on leg press machine with sand bags to push down knees
At Donghoon hosp they give PT sessions 5 times a week for 4 months
They change programs depending on each patient since the conditions of patients vary and not the same for everyone
Donghoon also doesn’t allow patients to continue lengthening when there’s no ankle dorsiflexion
For him to reach 7.6 cm, it took about 6months
After the 4 months, he took PT sessions a few times a week
Quote from: TemakiSushi on November 06, 2019, 04:59:22 PMHe continued standing calf stretch with a wedge for about an hour or so depending on the muscle condition; when muscle started to shake, he stopped stretching and had some minutes of break, repeated this at least several time a day
Also used leg press machine to stretch knees, pushing away and holding the heavy board with straight legs
never stopped stretching exercise even when he had pin site infections
It’s super painful to do exercise with infections but continued with oxycodone or some injections
when he started having slight contracture in his knees towards the end of lengthening, he spent more time on leg press machine with sand bags to push down knees
At Donghoon hosp they give PT sessions 5 times a week for 4 months
They change programs depending on each patient since the conditions of patients vary and not the same for everyone
Donghoon also doesn’t allow patients to continue lengthening when there’s no ankle dorsiflexion
For him to reach 7.6 cm, it took about 6months
After the 4 months, he took PT sessions a few times a week
Wow that sounds like a plot out of a movie! As if he went through all of that, what a true legend!!
I spoke to my PT guy he said he’s gotten people to 8cm in tibias before, if I stretch every hour hopefully my routine works
He said other patients who aimed for less than 6cm were doing less hours of stretching than him
Doing over 7cm seems really tough
Besides he plans to do femurs aiming 8cm next year, he had reasons to go through the toughest rehabilitations
But with Stryde which allows you to walk FWB it helps to maintain flexibility more easily
Walking is good excercise and not that boring as just standing for hours with pain
He said the contracture of anckles or knees comes all suddenly and become quite severe very quickly, better not ignore when the slight sign of contracture is seen and need to adjust the program to overcome the problems
90 degree ankle is already considered as ballerina there, the insteps need to touch the last ring of the external frame
BTW those who were doing precice tibia there didn’t use splints at night
Maybe the day time program makes some difference
Or maybe because those Asians with less muscle have easier time stretching
Precice tibia patients hardly have severe pains when not doing stretches
It’s written in Japanese, so I write details of what I heard from him here on behalf of him
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64200.msg163788#msg163788
Quote from: TemakiSushi on November 06, 2019, 10:58:23 PM
BTW those who were doing precice tibia there didn’t use splints at night
Maybe the day time program makes some difference
Or maybe because those Asians with less muscle have easier time stretching
Precice tibia patients hardly have severe pains when not doing stretches
Thanks for info, TemakiSushi. However, this part may be not really true. All patients for tibias are strongly recommended or even requested to wear splints as much as possible. When I was in Paley, it was a transition moment of Precice and Strdye, so I saw patients for tibias with either Precice or Strdye. They were all required to wear splints. Of course, all ppl complained about splints, as they are really uncomfortable. In Dr. Lee's hospital, patients with Precice nails in tibia never aim for over 6 cm but perhaps only for 5 cm. I have read their info, made contacts with hospitals, and met some patients, so I am pretty sure about their policy and plans and patient's goals/experience. Since Precice is not a full weight bearing, it is much harder to get good stretches on ankles with Precice, unlike full weight bearing devices such as external or stryde. Since their goal is not high, that is why many patients with Precicee may not wear splints. But trust me. It is always better to wear splints, if you are doing tibias.
Quote from: Ghostfish on November 07, 2019, 01:02:10 AMThanks for info, TemakiSushi. However, this part may be not really true. All patients for tibias are strongly recommended or even requested to wear splints as much as possible. When I was in Paley, it was a transition moment of Precice and Strdye, so I saw patients for tibias with either Precice or Strdye. They were all required to wear splints. Of course, all ppl complained about splints, as they are really uncomfortable. In Dr. Lee's hospital, patients with Precice nails in tibia never aim for over 6 cm but perhaps only for 5 cm. I have read their info, made contacts with hospitals, and met some patients, so I am pretty sure about their policy and plans and patient's goals/experience. Since Precice is not a full weight bearing, it is much harder to get good stretches on ankles with Precice, unlike full weight bearing devices such as external or stryde. Since their goal is not high, that is why many patients with Precicee may not wear splints. But trust me. It is always better to wear splints, if you are doing tibias.
To add to what you said, my PT person told me he had 6 people hit 8cm in tibias. Also, he said the last person who hit 8cm that he can remember was 3 years ago and also said it was a precise patient
Perhaps stryde should help because i am always walking
Anyways i’ll ask my PT guy more questions monday any insightful questions leave down below
Can you describe for us how is your pt session? Does it change every session or it's more the same stretches?
I’ve collected information of a several precice patients of Donghoon
There are some people reached to 6 cm tibia with precice
So 5 cm limit is not really concrete, Donghoon pays attention to the condition and proportion of each patient rather than the specific number
About Stryde, he has mentioned that it’s probably possible to reach further lengthening than precice depending on the conditions
About splints, those people who have ballerina probably better to use splints
But they do really good everyday PT and order patients to do stretch anckles for long time with rubber bands, I guess many don’t have ballerina even with precice, also muscle mass really counts, asian females don’t have much problems as Caucasian males
Some never took oxycodone nor tramadol during lengthening, some finished lengthening basically painless
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