Paley's Option 5, worth it?

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Quote from: Sorcerer on June 01, 2023, 12:36:08 AMThings like 185cm ugly stupid poor man has higher possibilities of dating a girl than 160cm handsome rich man are indeed happening and that's why I am dying for a 178cm height(It can lied about as 180cm and with shoes on I can self-report my height is 182cm).

So, you've finally accepted that height and looks are more important than money and normie 'career success'?

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Quote from: TheDream on June 01, 2023, 02:20:17 AMThe first man to go into space was 1.57 m so there is absolutely nothing shameful about being smaller as a man. Most fighter pilots are also of a smaller size. The people posting that stuff on social media or harboring those opinions are just warped. If you want to do LL to work on the bad self image this is absolutely fair, but my advice is you need to find some middle ground.

You will have to use those legs the rest of your life, which hopefully also means when you are older. So I think mobility and preserving athletic ability should be a lot more important when doing LL than reaching some crazy number that will make those people approve of you. Trust me, if you waved a magic wand, and you were magically 1.8 m tomorrow, and you were married to one of these women, you would find out very fast that they are crazy about other stuff too, and not very pleasent to be with.

Unfortunately we are just wired very strongly as humans to gain the social approval of the village, and when the village is crazy then so will our desires and self image.

Set a more realistic goal, and try to seriously work against this idea that anything less than 1.8 m is shameful. Because that is just simply not true.

There is something shameful about it as we are not islands - gaining the approval of others is a very normal and rational thing to desire. The weird ones are actually those who unironically think they should only 'do LL for themselves'. Back in reality, thousands of years of evolution has meant those who were accepted by the tribe and village survived and prospered while those who did not died out.

Anyone who is 'proud to be short' or whatever coping normie phrase of the day is used is actually mentally ill. It's like saying you're proud to be illiterate, to have a small dck, to work at McDonalds, to be a 30 year old virgin or whatever. It's objectively a bad thing to be short, that's the whole point of doing LL to begin with.

The manlet cope that women who have height standards are just bitches is just that - a cope. I'm sure you have looks standards for a girl and don't consider yourself unpleasant and toxic. Attraction is important and non-negotiable for both sexes.

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If you have the money do it but understand the risk and everything I agree Paley is probably the top Dr. in the world for LL, but I'm assuming option 5 is lengthen, then rebreak?     Also what's your wingspan and how about your frame? Do you care about aesthetically being good or just want to LL? because 5'3 to 5'10 is a big jump         

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Quote from: dboy123 on June 01, 2023, 04:22:35 AMIf you have the money do it but understand the risk and everything I agree Paley is probably the top Dr. in the world for LL, but I'm assuming option 5 is lengthen, then rebreak?     Also what's your wingspan and how about your frame? Do you care about aesthetically being good or just want to LL? because 5'3 to 5'10 is a big jump         

My Wingspan is pretty much my height I guess but I don't care being disproportional since that is way better than being short.
Of course a conventional 16cm quadrilateral lengthening will be impossible, but Paley rendered it into a possible one by rebreaking.

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Quote from: Sorcerer on June 02, 2023, 04:33:58 AMMy Wingspan is pretty much my height I guess but I don't care being disproportional since that is way better than being short.
Of course a conventional 16cm quadrilateral lengthening will be impossible, but Paley rendered it into a possible one by rebreaking.

You need to add in arm lengthening as well since having an ape index at -16cm will look absolutely ridiculous. When are you having the surgery done?

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Quote from: 1team on June 02, 2023, 05:02:11 AMYou need to add in arm lengthening as well since having an ape index at -16cm will look absolutely ridiculous. When are you having the surgery done?

I am not sure why 2cm arm lengthening can improve the ape idex. Btw I am planning to do it years after. I am now still studying and can't spare time to do it.

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Quote from: Sorcerer on June 02, 2023, 06:56:06 AMI am not sure why 2cm arm lengthening can improve the ape idex. Btw I am planning to do it years after. I am now still studying and can't spare time to do it.

Why are you saying 2cm arm lengthening? The top US LL doctors all seem to agree 5cm humerus LL safe reasonable way to go. Additionally, 5cm adds 10cm total to arm span and would be a huge difference. You should precisely measure your arm span as +1" vs -1" starting ape index is significant (you said about 0" right?) if you really want to add 6.3" through 16cm double quad option 5 with Paley. Unfortunately, -16cm ape index likely would look noticably off and kinda bad. I'm not trying to discourage you from doing 16cm, but rather suggesting you should think about time/money of doing arm LL after +16cm quad LL as you'll very likely feel like you need it to balance things out. The other key proportion to consider is your SHR. What is your sitting height? If you'd end up 0.50 or lower after +16cm LL (a near certainty given your starting height) that starts to look weird on most people, but long arms I think help balance out proportions on someone with a very low SHR. Not hating, just really think arm LL may dramatically improve your post +16cm double quad LL appearance. Good luck on your LL journey!

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Quote from: EndGame on June 02, 2023, 10:07:38 AMWhy are you saying 2cm arm lengthening? The top US LL doctors all seem to agree 5cm humerus LL safe reasonable way to go. Additionally, 5cm adds 10cm total to arm span and would be a huge difference. You should precisely measure your arm span as +1" vs -1" starting ape index is significant (you said about 0" right?) if you really want to add 6.3" through 16cm double quad option 5 with Paley. Unfortunately, -16cm ape index likely would look noticably off and kinda bad. I'm not trying to discourage you from doing 16cm, but rather suggesting you should think about time/money of doing arm LL after +16cm quad LL as you'll very likely feel like you need it to balance things out. The other key proportion to consider is your SHR. What is your sitting height? If you'd end up 0.50 or lower after +16cm LL (a near certainty given your starting height) that starts to look weird on most people, but long arms I think help balance out proportions on someone with a very low SHR. Not hating, just really think arm LL may dramatically improve your post +16cm double quad LL appearance. Good luck on your LL journey!

Not only sitting height or wingspan, unless your built fking bulky, people at 5'3 have smaller freaking frames/torso, as well as broad shoulders, I know there's small frame tall ppl there but it looks weird when all things don't go together.

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Quote from: EndGame on June 02, 2023, 10:07:38 AMWhy are you saying 2cm arm lengthening? The top US LL doctors all seem to agree 5cm humerus LL safe reasonable way to go. Additionally, 5cm adds 10cm total to arm span and would be a huge difference. You should precisely measure your arm span as +1" vs -1" starting ape index is significant (you said about 0" right?) if you really want to add 6.3" through 16cm double quad option 5 with Paley. Unfortunately, -16cm ape index likely would look noticably off and kinda bad. I'm not trying to discourage you from doing 16cm, but rather suggesting you should think about time/money of doing arm LL after +16cm quad LL as you'll very likely feel like you need it to balance things out. The other key proportion to consider is your SHR. What is your sitting height? If you'd end up 0.50 or lower after +16cm LL (a near certainty given your starting height) that starts to look weird on most people, but long arms I think help balance out proportions on someone with a very low SHR. Not hating, just really think arm LL may dramatically improve your post +16cm double quad LL appearance. Good luck on your LL journey!

I have yet to measure my sitting height but my legs are relatively short to my torso. I will one day post my body photo.

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Quote from: dboy123 on June 02, 2023, 08:39:03 PMNot only sitting height or wingspan, unless your built fking bulky, people at 5'3 have smaller freaking frames/torso, as well as broad shoulders, I know there's small frame tall ppl there but it looks weird when all things don't go together.

I think the guy above you got it right that longer armspan can balance out disproportion a little, any being disproportional or looking weird to me is way better than being short, at least nobody will discriminate you because you look weird but it is different when you are short.