Post-LL Effects on Dating and Attractiveness

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Quote from: SpeedDialer on October 22, 2022, 04:04:30 PMFor dating, I still see a small problem. I am just sort of thinking let's say someone gets internals for femurs and tibias and then gets tattoos on them to conceal them and then goes on a date

The problem is that some of the scars will be somewhat raised (I have some small linear scars that sort of like have a small raised bump under them) and someone on a date could feel that bump

What would you say if someone felt that bump under the scar/tattoo?

Frankly, I don't think anything short of being noticeably crippled/deformed or having cartoonish/uncanny-valley level of proportions would come close to offsetting the advantages of being taller in terms of attractiveness. Physical attraction is not a choice, and if a woman would not have been physically attracted to you pre-CLL, but is attracted to taller post-CLL you, her finding out that you got life altering surgery to fix an insecurity and having a lowered opinion of you for it is just the cost of doing business. If you literally weren't in the game before, but are after CLL, you're still be better off no matter how disgusted she might be by your choices/insecurities. If you're getting serious with a woman post-CLL, and she starts asking questions, the better choice is to just be honest about it and take the hit, since dishonesty/deception is far less attractive than the stigma of admitting you got CLL.

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Good points

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Quote from: SpeedDialer on October 22, 2022, 04:04:30 PMFor dating, I still see a small problem. I am just sort of thinking let's say someone gets internals for femurs and tibias and then gets tattoos on them to conceal them and then goes on a date

The problem is that some of the scars will be somewhat raised (I have some small linear scars that sort of like have a small raised bump under them) and someone on a date could feel that bump

What would you say if someone felt that bump under the scar/tattoo?

You're basically asking what to say if you're scars are noticed for a bump or whatever reason even if you're trying to use tattoos to hide them. Most women won't ask unless an ltr. You don't want to tell them LL or you wouldn't have bothered with the tattoos. Perhaps, bow leg correction or some other corrective surgery or car accident or some sort of trauma.

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Quote from: EndGame on October 22, 2022, 06:24:17 PMYou're basically asking what to say if you're scars are noticed for a bump or whatever reason even if you're trying to use tattoos to hide them. Most women won't ask unless an ltr. You don't want to tell them LL or you wouldn't have bothered with the tattoos. Perhaps, bow leg correction or some other corrective surgery or car accident or some sort of trauma.

I would agree that a short-term partner doesn't need to know that you got LL, but IMO it would be a mistake to lie to a woman in a LTR about something so significant. Either she'll eventually find out, or you'll be hiding it for the rest of your life. Women are so used to being lied to by men trying to impress them that being branded a liar could poke permanent holes in the foundation of the relationship, so its probably better to simply avoid the question and just say it was from surgery and you don't want to talk about it until you're ready to tell them. It'd be far worse for her to find out after marrying you and realizing down the line that your kids probably won't be as tall as you lol.

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Do any of you post-LL guys have anecdotes of specific ways you've noticed your new height help you with women? I think we all know that an increase height has an obvious positive impact, but I'm sure it'd be reassuring for those of us considering it to hear specific accounts of how you've noticed the way women treat you before/after.

I think its clear that growing taller won't necessarily help you if you have poor game as it is, but for someone like myself who is 5'6 and has moderate success with attractive women, it'd be nice to hear about ways you've noticed women treat you before vs. after, particularly if your post-LL height puts you in the average to tall range where we'd expect to see the most significant improvements.

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I agree with you on being transparent.

One thing Ill say though is if your wife is close to your old height your kids will actually be close to your new height unless you lengthened an incredible amount.  For instance Im 5'7 and after the procedure will be around 5'9-5'10.  Kids with a 5'7 woman and 5'7 man means your sons would be 5'10 per the predictive calculators.  Obviously its a range, but your kids are not going to be shockingly short to your partner just because you had this procedure.  So just dont have kids with a short woman and it wont be an issue (how the tables turn).

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Quote from: Icarus on October 22, 2022, 07:49:28 PMDo any of you post-LL guys have anecdotes of specific ways you've noticed your new height help you with women? I think we all know that an increase height has an obvious positive impact, but I'm sure it'd be reassuring for those of us considering it to hear specific accounts of how you've noticed the way women treat you before/after.

I think its clear that growing taller won't necessarily help you if you have poor game as it is, but for someone like myself who is 5'6 and has moderate success with attractive women, it'd be nice to hear about ways you've noticed women treat you before vs. after, particularly if your post-LL height puts you in the average to tall range where we'd expect to see the most significant improvements.

I think if you’re not attractive through other qualities like your face, body, personality, status or money, then adding three inches will have a marginal effect. adding 3 inches to anyone would not automatically make them a chick magnet, you need to have other things going for you especially the face. But the shorter you are the more of a positive effect this surgery would have on you, the closer you are to average height or taller the more other things start to matter.

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Quote from: google42 on October 22, 2022, 09:04:52 PMI think if you’re not attractive through other qualities like your face, body, personality, status or money, then adding three inches will have a marginal effect. adding 3 inches to anyone would not automatically make them a chick magnet, you need to have other things going for you especially the face. But the shorter you are the more of a positive effect this surgery would have on you, the closer you are to average height or taller the more other things start to matter.

Again, I think most conscientious people understand that being taller will not suddenly turn them into Brad Pitt. If they weren’t a social butterfly before, and had little going for them in other areas, height won’t make a big difference. I have plenty of taller friends who are unsuccessful with women, and their height does not make a difference. At the same time, there is no question though that height matters a LOT in terms of whether attractive women will even be receptive to you to begin with. 

What I’m speaking to is those men who feel that height was the biggest thing limiting them in relationships, and feel that the increased height has enhanced their lives in that area. In my case, I have a good face, I’m athletic, have good social skills, high social status amongst my peers, a great career, and am effective at attracting women who are receptive to me. I have, however, felt like I've reached a point of diminishing returns, finding that my height is precluding me from having as many options with women, and believe I would only see modest gains from broadening my social appeal, making a bit more money, or improving my fitness. Short of becoming famous, wildly successful, or taller, I don’t think there is much more I can do to improve in that department to improve my results. I have had many courtships in my life end due to women telling me that I am not tall enough for them, and many more where the woman was ambivalent and going back and forth because they enjoyed our time together, but weren't physically attracted enough to me to continue long-term.

I’d like to hear from men who had similar experiences and underwent LL. Do you notice more women looking at you in public settings? Do women approach you more? Do they string you along less? Do you feel like you have more wiggle room for mistakes in dating? Do you get more 2nd and 3rd dates, and get ghosted less often? etc.

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Quote from: Icarus on October 25, 2022, 02:39:55 PMAgain, I think most conscientious people understand that being taller will not suddenly turn them into Brad Pitt. If they weren’t a social butterfly before, and had little going for them in other areas, height won’t make a big difference. I have plenty of taller friends who are unsuccessful with women, and their height does not make a difference. At the same time, there is no question though that height matters a LOT in terms of whether attractive women will even be receptive to you to begin with. 

What I’m speaking to is those men who feel that height was the biggest thing limiting them in relationships, and feel that the increased height has enhanced their lives in that area. In my case, I have a good face, I’m athletic, have good social skills, high social status amongst my peers, a great career, and am effective at attracting women who are receptive to me. I have, however, felt like I've reached a point of diminishing returns, finding that my height is precluding me from having as many options with women, and believe I would only see modest gains from broadening my social appeal, making a bit more money, or improving my fitness. Short of becoming famous, wildly successful, or taller, I don’t think there is much more I can do to improve in that department to improve my results. I have had many courtships in my life end due to women telling me that I am not tall enough for them, and many more where the woman was ambivalent and going back and forth because they enjoyed our time together, but weren't physically attracted enough to me to continue long-term.

I’d like to hear from men who had similar experiences and underwent LL. Do you notice more women looking at you in public settings? Do women approach you more? Do they string you along less? Do you feel like you have more wiggle room for mistakes in dating? Do you get more 2nd and 3rd dates, and get ghosted less often? etc.

I agree with you 100%. A lot of people who do LL say height is what’s usually holding them back or still on their minds even if they got their life together. I remember reading through people’s diaries a few years ago and most said they did have a good boost in confidence, being treated normally or better, and having better luck with women.

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As long as you're tall, women will overlook any other bad trait.  A man can be unemployed, out of shape, unkept, etc, etc.  As long as he is tall, she'll chase him.  Height is literally the ticket to get in.  If you're short, your money, looks , personality, jester-maxing, and "status" won't matter.  Sure it will help, but at the end of the day she's always going to say..."but he's short."