man LL is totally massed up. Tell any normal person and most of people will think youre bat shi*t crazy. I did LL and had plenty of complications, and still got non union in fibula. But i dont blame anyone apart from myself. I'm dumb as hell and I made peace with that.
Quote from: doomsday on August 11, 2017, 09:12:23 PMman LL is totally massed up. Tell any normal person and most of people will think youre bat shi*t crazy. I did LL and had plenty of complications, and still got non union in fibula. But i dont blame anyone apart from myself. I'm dumb as hell and I made peace with that.
Agree. Tell any random stranger and they'll judge you critically. No mercy. No empathy.
LL is definitely a russian roulette and one small complication could easily freeze 2 years of your life.
I'm dumb as well for being fullhardy, naive and not doing research properly.
Quote from: Unicorn888 on August 11, 2017, 04:12:40 PMLook, whoever you are, I'm most happy that you've completed your lengthening unscathed and successfully.
But please, if you would like to promote Monegal's business by stating that for all 8 of you, "clicking was totally painless" - PLEASE do it somewhere else because you are insulting our intelligence with your transparent motives. It is people like yourselves who mislead others into thinking that this procedure is easy and painfree.
It is damned disrespectful to use this very thread to promote another doctor's practice. It is never a GUICHET vs MONEGAL battle here, and I don't see other insecure doctors like PALEY sending their minions over to promote their dwindling businesses while bashing other doctors.
I'm sorry for you that your recovery has not been as fast as you hoped for, and I'm sure since Monegal has a perfect record of success, not being able to run faster than Usain Bolt after leg lengthening must be contrued as a complication.
In any case, when you pass GO, don't forget to collect $200 from Monegal.
I am sorry if anything I wrote cause you to feel disrespected, Unicorn.
And of course I do not want to distract people from you important message to potential LL candidates.
But I do think that people have to know that in the vast majority of cases LL has the intended results, and I think this is true for Guichet patients as well.
About the "no pain while clicking": this is really true, and I think any person with Fitbone implants would confirm that! Of course you might wake up at night in pain but clicking itself does not cause any sensation.
Please believe me, that my intention is to help other patients and potential patients. And if you are still in London, let me know if you want to meet up, as I will be here for a couple of days.
Quote from: Body Builder on August 11, 2017, 07:46:42 PMUnicorn, I don't think that Helloworld said anything so insulting to attack him like that.
Thanks for defending me, Bodybuilder! :-)
Excuce me I'm old patient of docteur guichet agoster 2003 femur 7 cm
Docteur guichet is very best doctor is caracterial and smal hard but best doctor for lengthening
the reality yes the klick albizzia is very bad for pain the first 6 weeck is relaty torsion of you leg is very very bad
imagine fitbone or precise more easy
my opinion doctor guichet is best doctor albizzia is difficult tecknics
excuse for my bad english
Quote from: Unicorn888 on August 11, 2017, 08:50:53 PMI think we're comparing apples and oranges here. When you mentioned painless clicking, I assumed you meant a racheting Guichet type / ISKD nail where you've to manually rotate yourself unnaturally into a pretzel to find each click.
If you meant motorized/magnetic/automatic nails like Precice or Fitbone, then I do agree, one wouldn't suffer the way we did. And my NHS doc added that they used ISKD twice and clicking was so traumatic for patients, now they usually default to Precice if not external fixators.
That said, if stating that the LL procedure is painless, then yes, you got my heckles up because everyone has had some form of pain during lengthening and the trauma should not be trivialized for potential LLers.
Painless leg lengthening for me is an oxymoronic statement.
However, painless clicking? That can definitely happen even in the case of my right leg where there was no callus formation. In fact, it was eerily too painless.
Thanks for clarifying!
Procedure is painfull, yes. But it is hard for potential patient to know what we mean.
I honestly say that during the day I did not have much pain, but would take a lot of pain killers at night to sleep but still wake up.
But pain was still less than I expected.
Quote from: helloworld on August 11, 2017, 10:46:42 PMI am sorry if anything I wrote cause you to feel disrespected, Unicorn.
And of course I do not want to distract people from you important message to potential LL candidates.
But I do think that people have to know that in the vast majority of cases LL has the intended results, and I think this is true for Guichet patients as well.
About the "no pain while clicking": this is really true, and I think any person with Fitbone implants would confirm that! Of course you might wake up at night in pain but clicking itself does not cause any sensation.
Please believe me, that my intention is to help other patients and potential patients. And if you are still in London, let me know if you want to meet up, as I will be here for a couple of days.
That the "vast majority of cases have the intended result" is word gymnastics. Like something a politician would say.
Yeah, the majority of patients do end up with longer legs. No denying that.
But how many are able to do it without costly complications? Looking at the diaries here, it's definitely *not* the vast majority.
BTW Unicorn I've been lurking your diary for a while. You are very very strong to share everything so candidly. All the best, you'll get through this.
Quote from: musicmaker on August 14, 2017, 01:57:38 AMDon't be delusional and think that you're exempt from bad luck. This happened to Unicorn and me, but it might have happened to any of you.
Very wise words. Carefully evaluate your situation when make your decision; come to terms with the fact that you could be one of those deemed as having "bad luck".
Since I am currently going though this procedure I have had lots of PM's from those considering the procedure and I share the same advise. Embrace the reality that this is high risk surgery. Put a tremendous amount of thought into your decision; it could be the most consequential decision you make in either improving or totally crushing your confidence and quality of life.
Quote from: Unicorn888 on August 11, 2017, 09:27:27 PMAgree. Tell any random stranger and they'll judge you critically. No mercy. No empathy.
LL is definitely a russian roulette and one small complication could easily freeze 2 years of your life.
I'm dumb as well for being fullhardy, naive and not doing research properly.
Hi Unicorn,
I truly do empathize with you. From reading your diary; you definitely don't strike me as been dumb or full hardy. I think its easy to disillusioned ourselves when making such decisions; I think we all have to some degree in order to rationalize our decision to go though the procedure.
I wish you the very best.
Quote from: Four Inch on August 17, 2017, 03:54:36 PMHi Unicorn,
I truly do empathize with you. From reading your diary; you definitely don't strike me as been dumb or full hardy. I think its easy to disillusioned ourselves when making such decisions; I think we all have to some degree in order to rationalize our decision to go though the procedure.
I wish you the very best.
Thank you 4" 
I think perhaps the closest example for anyone who's contemplating this surgery to imagine how it feels like when things go wrong is akin to being cheated by a tradesman when you're renovating your home.
You think you've been so careful about choosing the right contractor to renovate your house, and you've saved up for years to afford yourself a brand new kitchen and bathroom. You definitely know what you want.
And your contractor comes highly recommended by others. He has even shown you an amazing portfolio of completed homes and promised you a great timeline. You are already imagining throwing a party and your friends are admiring your new home a short 3 months from now. You gladly wire your payment over.
And before you know it, not only has he not renovated your house, but there's sudden flooding, leaking gas pipe and a mini electrical fire. He's adamant it's not his fault, these problems were "always there waiting to rupture". So, unless you pay him more to repair these first, he cannot start the cosmetic renovations. So you throw good money after bad and hope for the best.
Except things get worse and you've now affected your neighbors' water and septic pipes as well, and their lawyers are hounding you around the clock. You try to reach your contractor to solve these asap but of course, he is now nowhere to be found.
Who feels like a mug now? I do because irregardless, I chose the contractor, I voluntarily handed over my life savings to him and I BLAME MYSELF for getting cheated.
The anger and betrayal you feel totally consumes you beyond your broken home. It haunts your every waking moment and sometimes when you're truly in pain do you ironically find relief... because for that one brief moment, you're not deriding yourself for being so stupid. Pain becomes your escape.
You don't trust anyone anymore and your confidence is all shaken up. You're pissed off at your own vanity for wanting a prettier house to show off to your friends. You start questioning all your decisions in life.
Above all else, you can't forgive yourself for letting this happen especially if you end up losing your home too.
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