Quote from: Maison on August 12, 2023, 02:29:22 AMI partially agree with your thoughts. It's unlikely that all patients at WBT suffer from severe complications like osteomyelitis.
I believe that probably more than half of their surgeries are successful, but the exact numbers are unknown since WBT does not tell the truth.
However, it seems undeniable that the probability of complications is higher compared to countries like the US.
Patients undergoing LL surgery at WBT or LLT should be aware that they are gambling with their legs.
It’s definitely more of a gamble. The medical standards are not the same, and this is reflected in the cost. I just think its almost entirely an issue of how expensive it is outside of Turkey. I think we’d respect Turkish companies more if there’s increased transparency and less fluff / advertising hype. By doing this procedure there is a risk of medical complications, and any problems need to be immediately taken seriously by the company. Staph can spread fast in a facility where a ton of the patients have open wounds and share equipment.
Wannabetaller destroyed my life
Quote from: Maison on August 12, 2023, 02:29:22 AM
Patients undergoing LL surgery at WBT or LLT should be aware that they are gambling with their legs.
Total gamble indeed. People are asking me who to go in Turkey sometimes. I cannot recommend any surgeon because when i do that i know that these butchers fake accounts will switch to attack mode. How to find one? All i can say is do your own research and stay away from Dr Halil, Dr Yunus and Dr Yuksel. They have plenty of complication cases as you can see and their complication rate is almost 50/50. This is a very serious surgery so take your time for research and do not go to cheapest place aswell. Check which surgeon has a continuous lengthening surgery count. and check if they have a complication history written here in this forum or social media. Check before/afters if you will feel better. Then you can go from there and choose one.
Türkiye's Limb Lengthening Agent Wannabetaller (bubuzenggao) like to attack the victims who come out to expose their ugly faces! They sent victims who exposed in the group a court threat, which was hilarious! WBT's after-sales attitude is just like bandits!
As a Chinese, being bullied by the Xj people who are hiding in Türkiye by the Turks is powerless. I really feel humiliated. Although I can't protect my rights and interests through legal means, if I don't speak up, they will always think that patients are easy to be cheated. It's more painful than cursing me for being short and cursing me for being disabled.
Quote from: dontgototurkey on August 11, 2023, 01:43:47 PMThey’re just like Live Life Taller, they lie and try to blame the patient. LLT tried to convince me that my ankles somehow butchered themselves. I offered to send medical records from Cedars Sinai in Los Angeles showing that premature removal of the syndesmotic screws caused subluxation requiring surgical correction, and that the right tibia was in valgus. They still refused to admit any wrongdoing.
Why would Wanna Be Taller be any different than Live Life Taller? Especially when there’s so many horror stories on this forum about Yunus and Yuksel from Wanna Be Taller?
The long history of corruption and incompetence in a developing country like Turkey filters down into every aspect of their society and culture, from poor medical training to the ability to lie as easily as you breathe.
I will not try to change your opinion about Turkiye and Turks. But I personally never lie. I prefer a truth that will cost me my life, than a lie that will save my life. Medical education in Turkey is not as bad as you think. If it were, thousands of Turkish doctors would not be accepted to many countries in Europe, including the USA every year. The same is true for Turkiye's criminal law. Turkiye has a penal code as strict as the USA's. However, I must admit that the progress of the cases is not as fast as in America. My aim is to show that there is also the possibility that the company can be unfairly accused without creating a personal line of conflict with you and getting unfairly involved. Because despite all our insistence, I have seen enough patients who do not follow medical instructions. I tried to convince them myself as a part of my task. I also saw that they easily blamed us for the problem they encountered because they did not follow the instructions. Despite all my persuasion efforts, I have even seen a patient who persistently wants to reach 10 cm, continuing to extend by breaking the safety pin of the fixator, even though the fixator has reached its maximum extension capacity. I still ask about this patient from time to time. Because he wanted to move forward in a very radical and uncontrolled way. Still, he was an honest patient because he had promised to take full responsibility and not blame the company if it ran into a problem. As a matter of fact, if I listen to my conscience, I shouldn't resign. Because my task consists of constantly checking whether the services provided to patients comply with our quality standards. So we try to make sure that both staff and patients are following the guidelines, which is a good thing. Of course, it would be naive to think that this approach nullifies all the complications/risks. My claim is that our procedure helps us minimize potential complications/risks.
I wish the best for all of you with all my heart.
Quote from: BestOfLuck on August 11, 2023, 02:22:29 PMStop gaslighting, your entire company is fkn horrific. How you gonna sit there in your little office infested with rats and bugs n try and act like you give a single goddamn about your patients? Your company would gladly butcher every western citizen who travels out there if you could without issue. Your money hungry, and the ONLY reason anyone opts to go to you is because they are so incredibly desperate and unhappy that they will take the gamble. You literally toy with peoples lifes for money. You will never be a professional, nor will you ever leave that rat of a country you live in either. Try and do a CLL surgery in a western country and see how fast your license gets torched and your on the street. “I see no reason to be angry with you” yea no you dumb sack of fetuses . Because YOUR group butchered him, not the other way around. Wtf do you have to be mad at him for? Exposing the truth of your godawful medical skills? Praying for another earthquake to smite your country from the heavens, hopefully this time it smokes the medical centres you do CLL at and your out of business for good.
I repay your insults to you. This is the first. Secondly, the first time I meet each patient, I tell them If they have any problem, request, suggestion or trouble let me know immediately without any hesitation. Each of our patients has groups and I follow all the services from there too. Additionally, I personally visit patients as much as the workload in the field and office allows. I'm usually in the field, not in the office.
This will be the first and only answer I give taking you seriously.
Quote from: Victim Of Wannabetaller on August 12, 2023, 01:48:11 AMAnother patient infected in the same batch and the attitude of wannabetaller.
The video shows the same group of patients in Wannabetaller, Türkiye (step by step) with me. She only did 4cm because of pain and severe pronation. W sold her to find Yunus to relax (at that time, other teams were free to relax). She wore plaster for more than 3 months in the hotel she rented to her and walked back home. Suddenly, there was redness, swelling, heat, pain, and internal infection at the broken bone! Later on, the lock nail was also infected with redness and swelling! I forgot to mention that she also suffered from common peroneal nerve injury, because she had returned and WBT was perfunctory and could only admit that she was unlucky! Next time, I will send you a message about how to draw pancakes for me before and after the double label dog WBT surgery, as well as the disgusting attitude of turning around and not recognizing me after causing chronic osteomyelitis, which is in stark contrast to the attitude of domestic doctors actively apologizing for mistakes.
When she was in Türkiye, W also swallowed her $750 for a residence permit, saying that the witness would not be refunded if there was a car accident on the way. In fact, W said that to every patient! Not only is W lax in charging her fees, but the quotation for taking her to the same hospital for hair transplant and dental beauty is twice as expensive as others themselves. Also, she just finished the surgery and asked the caregiver to help extend her legs, which also charged her a fee. Additionally, the physical therapy also overcharged her, causing her to pay 40000 yuan in advance for her 4-month accommodation and living expenses! There are still too many greedy and unscrupulous operations, and the issue of relative legs is not a big deal.
This girl is very nice. She got infected 2 months later than me, and I have been infected for almost 2 months. At that time, her Chinese doctor's advice made me realize that I was cheated by W and Yunus for 2 months! She showed my leg when I was in Türkiye to her Chinese doctor and said that I had better take the needle for treatment because of the long delay. The bacteria have spread to the whole medullary cavity, and the bacteria have formed a biofilm and can not be killed by antibiotics alone.
Then I went to W again in the hope of getting the correct treatment. I realized that when I first contacted WBT with redness, swelling, heat, and pain in my legs, I didn't take it seriously. It dragged me to the point of pus explosion. Osteomyelitis was not serious in W and Yunus' mouths, and chronic osteomyelitis told me not to worry. Just using antibiotics would cure it! W and Yunus, who were praised as gods by them, always said that my suppurative osteomyelitis was not serious and did not need debridement until the other two patients in the same group had the same infection as me. I totally distrusted W, and I hoped to change my doctor for treatment. I was really afraid of amputation and death from sepsis, but W continued to draw a big picture for me and said that he would find other experienced doctors in Türkiye to treat me, I bought a plane ticket to my home country while waiting (due to the severe situation of the domestic epidemic and various difficulties). I had no hope for W anymore, but I didn't expect W to turn around and refuse to recognize me!
Surprisingly, the subject came to money from osteomyelitis, which is a very serious health problem.
Our financial operations are carried out in a very clear, transparent, and documentable manner. Some minor computational errors are undoubtedly possible, given that those who do the computations are human. Even if such a thing happens, this is noticed either by supervision or by the patient's warning and would be fixed. For instance, an order placed by a patient may be inadvertently credited to another patient's account. But as I said, this is noticed and corrected immediately, either with the patient's warning or during independent control. So we strongly reject your claims that we are deceiving patients about fees. Before any service is offered to the patient, he/she is informed about the price and continues after his/her approval. The patient is not forced into any of the services offered. Our price policy is absolutely competitive and reasonable compared to its competitors in all of the services accepted by the patient. Simple market research will show that.
You claim that the Chinese doctor of our other patient whose images you shared, saw you in Turkey and the Chinese doctor said "I had better take the needle for treatment because of the long delay. The bacteria have spread to the whole medullary cavity, and the bacteria have formed a biofilm and can not be killed by people alone." That's a very interesting detail. Why didn't you share the Chinese doctor's opinion with me, your consultant, or another company staff in such a serious situation? I and other staff members were also registered on your Wechat. I don't know, maybe you shared this information with any staff but I'm sure I'm not one of them. Didn't you at least share this Chinese doctor's opinion with Turkish doctors? Do you have any correspondence in which you convey the opinion of this Chinese doctor to Turkish doctors? It is really surprising too that your friend did not tell us about this detail. After all, she was our patient at that time and was still in active communication with us. Even this patient wrote to me on Wechat that " If someone expresses to the company I will speak for the company because everyone really takes good care of me, and a person should understand the gratitude."
You said this patient allowed you to share images of yourself. But frankly, you have so much manipulation that it's hard to believe it's true. Even assuming it's true, this contradicts what this patient of ours told us.
Quote from: Victim Of Wannabetaller on August 12, 2023, 02:08:05 AM
I will never understand how a person could be so willing to turn the truth upside down, moreover, they are trying every way to do this. Now, are you going to disinformation based on the nationalities of our employees?!! You have never been bullied by either our Xinjiang staff or anyone else. From the very beginning to the end, they did nothing but treat you well and take good care of you. On the contrary, as soon as you left the hotel, for no apparent reason, you exposed their private information with insults on all Chinese platforms. When our Xinjiang staff quit voluntarily, we had many Chinese patients who were most upset and wanted them back to work. We have correspondence with these Chinese patients. In principle, we do not find it appropriate to share our correspondence with others on such as these platforms, even if it is to our advantage. (Are you sharing your correspondence with someone whose private information you have disclosed by insulting them on Chinese platforms!? Yes, this staff also knows all your processes exactly as we do. Maybe she/he also mentioned this, but you deleted that part and took a screenshot because it was not in your favor.)
I am really astonished that you try to manipulate things so recklessly! I can assure you, if everything was as you describe here, it would be enough to knock on the door of a diligent international lawyer to protect your rights and interests. I will never understand why people share the correspondence, messages, images, photos, or videos that they think are in their favor on platforms such as forums or social media instead of a lawyer or a court.
Anyway, I think you've exhausted all your accusations. Maybe I'll wait a little longer for new ones to emerge. Then I will write my final summary for your claims. The decision will be with the forum readers.
Quote from: dontgototurkey on August 11, 2023, 01:43:47 PMThey’re just like Live Life Taller, they lie and try to blame the patient. LLT tried to convince me that my ankles somehow butchered themselves. I offered to send medical records from Cedars Sinai in Los Angeles showing that premature removal of the syndesmotic screws caused subluxation requiring surgical correction, and that the right tibia was in valgus. They still refused to admit any wrongdoing.
Why would Wanna Be Taller be any different than Live Life Taller? Especially when there’s so many horror stories on this forum about Yunus and Yuksel from Wanna Be Taller?
The long history of corruption and incompetence in a developing country like Turkey filters down into every aspect of their society and culture, from poor medical training to the ability to lie as easily as you breathe.
They lie because everyone in Turkey lies.
About everything.
Businesses lie to cover up mistakes they make. Building developers lie about earthquake safety codes and apartments collapse during seismic events, killing thousands. It’s an orchestra of lies.
Every Turkish medical tourism company, whether it’s for limb lengthening, or laser eye color change, or facelift, or anything else, if they are given enough scrutiny, the horror stories begin to come out. With enough time, it happens. Every time.
Because the country is literally incapable of high quality medical training. They’re too incompetent. Maybe in 50 years they’ll get there. But not now. Not today.
Yuksel is apparently an associate professor of orthopedics and somehow completely butchered his patients. Think about that. A Professor. What does Wanna Be Taller say? “Oh we’re not working with him anymore”.
What makes you think the new surgeon will be any better? Or the one after that?
It doesn’t matter who they hire, the medical training is too incompetent. They’re all bad. And when mistakes happen they will lie, because compensating victims would put them out of business.
They lie because it’s what they know. It’s part of survival in a country of rats climbing over each other for a small piece of cheese. It’s a survival instinct.
Türkiye is the Land of Lies.
I will not try to change your opinion about Turkiye and Turks. But I personally never lie. I prefer a truth that will cost me my life, than a lie that will save my life.
Medical education in Turkey is not as bad as you think. If it were, thousands of Turkish doctors would not be accepted to many countries of Europe, including the USA every year.
The same is true for Turkiye's criminal law. Turkiye has a penal code as strict as the USA's. However, I must admit that the progress of the cases is not as fast as in America.
My aim is to show that there is also the possibility that the company can be unfairly accused without creating a personal line of conflict with you and getting unfairly involved. Because despite all our insistence, I have seen enough patients who do not follow medical instructions. I tried to convince them myself as a part of my task. I also saw that they easily blamed us for the problem they encountered because they did not follow the instructions. Despite all my persuasion efforts, I have even seen a patient who persistently wants to reach 10 cm, continuing to extend by breaking the safety pin of the fixator, even though the fixator has reached its maximum extension capacity. I still ask about this patient from time to time. Because he wanted to move forward in a very radical and uncontrolled way. Still, he was an honest patient because he had promised to take full responsibility and not blame the company if it ran into a problem.
As a matter of fact, if I listen to my conscience, I shouldn't resign. Because my task consists of constantly checking whether the services provided to patients comply with our quality standards. So we try to make sure that both staff and patients are following the guidelines, which is a good thing. Of course, it would be naive to think that this approach nullifies all the complications/risks. My claim is that our procedure helps us minimize potential complications/risks.
I wish the best for all of you with all my heart.
A full version of the counterattack against Turkey's WannaBetTaller's lie smearing my post.
Even if I stayed in WBT's shabby hotel for an extended period, even if I was so close to them in Turkey, even if the cause of my infection had nothing to do with the needle track and trauma, even if I contacted WBT at the first time when my leg was swollen and had a fever, everyone knew it, but they still made it chronic, and then learned WBT's turning face, refusing to recognize the arrogance and arrogance, attacking, smearing, stimulating and provoking patients who were experiencing pain. If I continue to listen to the advice of these medical illiterates, my outcome will be even worse.
They boast that they are the world's first, the best service, and the most experienced. Their business approach is to be good at deception and threats! Double labeled dog looks ugly!
Quote from: Ahri on August 12, 2023, 04:21:42 AMIt’s definitely more of a gamble. The medical standards are not the same, and this is reflected in the cost. I just think its almost entirely an issue of how expensive it is outside of Turkey. I think we’d respect Turkish companies more if there’s increased transparency and less fluff / advertising hype. By doing this procedure there is a risk of medical complications, and any problems need to be immediately taken seriously by the company. Staph can spread fast in a facility where a ton of the patients have open wounds and share equipment.
It is almost impossible to zero the complication/risk in surgery. This is also very valid for limb-lengthening surgery. Because this surgery requires a long process until the result is reached. In this respect, there is a situation that fits the gambling analogy of the Maison, Charizard, and yours. I also agree with this. The official position of the company is to provide transparent and accurate information to the patient without trying to make the possible complications/risks of height increase surgery invisible behind glittering advertisements. This transparent and accurate information is explained to the surgery candidate through many channels such as patient representatives, patient information forms, patient consent forms, etc. Everything done before, during, and after surgery is done to minimize possible complications/risks, not to zero in them. If someone is telling you that it will zero in any possible complications/risks, know that they are lying. It's a lie no matter who says it, us or anyone else.
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