aestheticallylong's Dr. Betz Experience

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I also heard Guichet said Precise would probably never come back?

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I don't recommend Betz to u in my perspective.
First, he is plugging away with crazy claims like lengthening your femurs by 10-11cm in one go and tibias by 8-10cm also in one go not only on his profile but also via emails to questions about how much patients can lengthen at most if you want to ask.
Secondly, he was telling lie that he had never caused complications while MasterHY had learned the lesson, not to mention back in 2017 he was sued by a female patient.
Finally, I am also waitng for P's return. When I saw P would never come back probably from Guichet's words I sat on the floor paralyzed with expressionless eyes and trembling lips and finally I cried out in the cafe where I was having my lunch.

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Quote from: Sorcerer on March 23, 2022, 03:06:31 AMI don't recommend Betz to u in my perspective.
First, he is plugging away with crazy claims like lengthening your femurs by 10-11cm in one go and tibias by 8-10cm also in one go not only on his profile but also via emails to questions about how much patients can lengthen at most if you want to ask.
Secondly, he was telling lie that he had never caused complications whilr MasterHY had learned the lesson, not to mention back in 2017 he was sued by a female patient.
Finally, I am also waitng for P's return. When I saw P would never come back probably from Guichet's words I sat on the floor paralyzed with expressionless eyes and trembling lips and finally I cried out in the cafe where I was having my lunch.

Sorcerer bro with all due respect, I'm gonna ask you to not comment on my journal, your posts are consistently negative and I don't want that here.

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Quote from: Sorcerer on March 23, 2022, 03:06:31 AMI don't recommend Betz to u in my perspective.
First, he is plugging away with crazy claims like lengthening your femurs by 10-11cm in one go and tibias by 8-10cm also in one go not only on his profile but also via emails to questions about how much patients can lengthen at most if you want to ask.
Secondly, he was telling lie that he had never caused complications whilr MasterHY had learned the lesson, not to mention back in 2017 he was sued by a female patient.
Finally, I am also waitng for P's return. When I saw P would never come back probably from Guichet's words I sat on the floor paralyzed with expressionless eyes and trembling lips and finally I cried out in the cafe where I was having my lunch.

10-11 cm on femurs in one go is possible and has been done many times.  8-10 cm on tibias is also possible and has been done, but this is more rare.  These are high numbers but not outrageous.

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Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on March 23, 2022, 03:12:23 AM10-11 cm on femurs in one go is possible and has been done many times.  8-10 cm on tibias is also possible and has been done, but this is more rare.  These are high numbers but not outrageous.
I am not saying they are impossbie, but it seems to me or even others that he is not very taking care of patients' safeties, nearly all of other surgeons recommend lengthening femurs by 6-8cm in one go and tibias by 5-7cm in one go(on their profiles or emails), and even like Paley he does not recommend surpassing 5cm on tibias. I know there are outliers like Meck lengthening himself by 18cm in total, but that doesn't mean 18cm is totally safe.
For not commenting on OP's journal just bc I was posting negatively while I am just telling the truth, OK I will leave but before I leave, I still don't recommend Betz to you myself and it's nothing about whether I am negative or not, although Betz is very world-famous in LL.

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@aestheticallylong When is your consultation?

Also what made you choose Dr Betz over a g-nail provider like Guichet or Giotikas?

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Quote from: aestheticallylong on March 01, 2022, 04:50:39 AMHey Everyone,

Been browsing this forum for the last 4 years, and as I draw closer to finally get LL, I thought it's time I start. interacting with the community. I want to give. a brief introduction and ask a few questions that will help me make. the right decisions.

Introduction
Been considering LL for the past few years, and have always planned to do it as soon as graduating. I am very fortunate to have my parent's support, and have the option to go with any doctor I choose (no budget constraint). Unfortunately with the STRYDE recall, that has left me in a strange spot, since I am only considering weight-bearing nails. I would like to get 6-7 cm on femurs internally. Currently I am 171 cm, early 20's, and have been stretching and working out intensely every day for the past 4 months. I plan to get into twice a day stretching, an hour each session, around 2 months prior to operation day. The goal is to get as close to full splits as I can, and stretching hip flexors, while also building strength in the core and glutes.

 Originally I planned to go with Paley STRYDE, but given that is no longer an option, I am considering Dr. Betz. I have contacted Paley, Mahboubian, and Debiparshad, and they all say to expect STRYDE back in 2023. I can technically wait that long, but if Betz can do the job, I might as well go for it (a few questions further down about this). I graduate in April, and would like to start the process in either June or August (questions below).

Questions

• For those that did LL with Betz, do you recommend him? I have read the diaries of SirStretchAlot, chasing_higher_dream, and RB, and while there are some complications, it does not seem unrecoverable. I am having a hard time deciding since I only know of the process through these diaries. Would I be able to talk to any current patients (If you are a patient PLEASE DM me)?
• Is stryde FAR superior to Betzbone? In all technicality I would need to wait around another year most likely, and I am only considering weight-bearing nails, so if it is just a matter of clicking pain and some risk of non-union I can handle that. The stryde diaries are a joy to read though, and seeing results like Movie and StrydeNailChallenge is definitely swaying my opinion.
• How would you tell your girlfriend/partner, if you would even do so? I am fairly confident she would be supportive, but I don't want to be an absolute cripple for like 5 months and have her deal with that. Looking at the walking abilities of Betzbone and stryde patients, I don't think it would be horrible, especially since a lot of these patients
  go to work occasionally.
• How difficult is it to start working one month post-op? I run a startup, and we work remotely, so I am able to work my own hours and at home. We were planning to set up an office in the summer, but I can have that set up and start attending it near the end of my lengthening period.

Summary
I look forward to starting this journey as soon as possible, but I want to have the best odds of success and minimize downtime. I am indeed fortunate to have the support of my parents, and they are willing to travel with me should I stay abroad while lengthening. I very much appreciate the incite you guys can offer, and I will give occasional updates as they become relevant.
Hi,

- I don't recommend Dr Betz. Although there have been many good outcomes with him there have also been many bad ones. And the problem is that he will cover up and deny any serious problems. Don't fall for his initial friendliness and easy going attitude. In case you run into serious problems he will leave you in the lurch.
- The Betzbone is not a normal product since the surgeon and the manufacturer are the same (the manufacturer is a limited liability company owned by Betz and his wife. His company is a so-called Product Label Manufacturer who buys the nails from an OEM in France). That's why in case of product problems Betz always tries to cover them up. He uses this 'personal union' between surgeon and manufacturer to circumvent major regulations with regard to medical device safety surveillance.
If you want to compare the technologies between Precice and Betzbone the huge drawback of clicking nails in general is that they have no reverse mechanism. This means in case of nonunion the Precice is much superior.

So in a nutshell: Betz is good only as long as no serious problems occur. In case of problems he will put his own interests above those of his patients.

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Quote from: aestheticallylong on March 23, 2022, 02:42:25 AMThanks for the response bro. Did you do it in the Freiburg or Saarbrucken clinic? I'm scheduled for Saarbrucken but Freiburg is where I think he usually is, they gave me the option to do Freiburg but it would be a week later.
No problem man. Mine was done at Kreiskrankenhaus St. Ingbert.

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Quote from: Sorcerer on March 23, 2022, 03:20:41 AMI am not saying they are impossbie, but it seems to me or even others that he is not very taking care of patients' safeties, nearly all of other surgeons recommend lengthening femurs by 6-8cm in one go and tibias by 5-7cm in one go(on their profiles or emails), and even like Paley he does not recommend surpassing 5cm on tibias. I know there are outliers like Meck lengthening himself by 18cm in total, but that doesn't mean 18cm is totally safe.
For not commenting on OP's journal just bc I was posting negatively while I am just telling the truth, OK I will leave but before I leave, I still don't recommend Betz to you myself and it's nothing about whether I am negative or not, although Betz is very world-famous in LL.

I believe patients should be well educated about this process before going through with the operation. In my view I think people should stay between 5-8cm for the femurs. Anything less is not worth it and anything more you start to risk function/athleticism and could look weird based on proportions. Therefore I think its the patients responsibility to decide a safe realistic goal and the surgeons responsibility to help them with it. In my dealings with Betz, he didn't recommend high lengthening amounts for me.

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Quote from: hanshi on March 23, 2022, 11:53:32 AMHi,

- I don't recommend Dr Betz. Although there have been many good outcomes with him there have also been many bad ones. And the problem is that he will cover up and deny any serious problems. Don't fall for his initial friendliness and easy going attitude. In case you run into serious problems he will leave you in the lurch.
- The Betzbone is not a normal product since the surgeon and the manufacturer are the same (the manufacturer is a limited liability company owned by Betz and his wife. His company is a so-called Product Label Manufacturer who buys the nails from an OEM in France). That's why in case of product problems Betz always tries to cover them up. He uses this 'personal union' between surgeon and manufacturer to circumvent major regulations with regard to medical device safety surveillance.
If you want to compare the technologies between Precice and Betzbone the huge drawback of clicking nails in general is that they have no reverse mechanism. This means in case of nonunion the Precice is much superior.

So in a nutshell: Betz is good only as long as no serious problems occur. In case of problems he will put his own interests above those of his patients.

I agree with what you said. I know you have alot of experience and knowledge about Betz.

However my case has been relatively positive so far. Other patients I've met in Germany also seem to have had a positive experience as well.