Arthritis after doing cll

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Quote from: notatroll on February 12, 2019, 10:58:02 PMMy local doctor told me I will develop premature arthritis due to this "barbaric" surgery. The nail introduced by the knee is EVEN WORSE. I have issues now (pain, limping, weird noises). It will become worse in my old age, my doctor told me

Sounds like a very unprofessional statement from your doctor. I don't know what kind of nail you had inserted in your surgery, but intramedullary rods are widely used in trauma surgery all over the world since the 1970s. Without this technique, many trauma patients could never recover and walk properly after their traumas. Limb lengthening is also used for limb length discrepancies worldwide and allows people to prevent long-term effects of unequally long limbs. How could a trained medical professional call this "barbaric"?

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on February 12, 2019, 11:20:48 PMSounds like a very unprofessional statement from your doctor. I don't know what kind of nail you had inserted in your surgery, but intramedullary rods are widely used in trauma surgery all over the world since the 1970s. Without this technique, many trauma patients could never recover and walk properly after their traumas. Limb lengthening is also used for limb length discrepancies worldwide and allows people to prevent long-term effects of unequally long limbs. How could a trained medical professional call this "barbaric"?

your Statement regarding trauma is absolutely right. But leg Lengthening is altogether different than trauma, it’s the stretching of soft tissues ( nerves, arteries etc) that makes this surgery EXTREME if not barbaric. Sensible lengthening like 5-7 cm( I would prefer 5) will have less unpleasant after effects. With corrections in leg length discrepancies one can expect increased performance but with lengthening definitely it will be reduced even if it is like 5% of pre ll. There is definitely a trade off with ll that and the lentheners accept.

Cr7

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I'm sorry you had a bad outcome, but the point I am disputing is that Arthritis is guaranteed. I'm not very worried because I went to a good doctor and my lengthening went really well. Obviously, not everyone will have a good outcome, but I think if you do have a good outcome and you don't over-lengthen the Tibia Arthritis is far from guaranteed.

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Quote from: Cr7 on February 13, 2019, 12:21:35 AMyour Statement regarding trauma is absolutely right. But leg Lengthening is altogether different than trauma, it’s the stretching of soft tissues ( nerves, arteries etc) that makes this surgery EXTREME if not barbaric. Sensible lengthening like 5-7 cm( I would prefer 5) will have less unpleasant after effects. With corrections in leg length discrepancies one can expect increased performance but with lengthening definitely it will be reduced even if it is like 5% of pre ll. There is definitely a trade off with ll that and the lentheners accept.

Cr7

I haven't seen any evidence that blood vessels like arteries are a concern for lengthening, am I wrong?
Okay, soft tissue isn't stretched for trauma patients, but is it not stretched for peoople who get LL for limb length discrepancy? After all, their shorter limb naturally grew to a shorter length, so wouldn't the muscles, tendons, etc. also have grown to accomodate the shorter length, not the length that the limb will have after lengtening? Confused right now.

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Quote from: Cr7 on February 09, 2019, 11:36:27 PM1-First of all there is lack of any conclusive data/study that could show whether CLL causes premature arthritis or not.
2- This surgery is relatively new so no one knows what will happen 20-40 years down the line. However I think that something would happen altering the natural anatomy of the body, just my thought though.
3- There are not many vets on this forum who have gone through CLL 10-15 years ago. Many old diaries are simply dead, apart from a few vets like Sweden, bodybuilder, oldiebutgoldie etc who sometimes update( thank you guys).
4- Few people who have done it quite sometime ago are Akash shukla (2003/2005), hajnal ban(2002, Australian woman), Mikhail goldreer( the first one to go through the elective CLL, Volgograd Russia, 1992), Thomas keeper( calagry real estate agent, Canada, 2005, guichet patient). These people went public about their surgery. I highly doubtful that they will come to this forum to provide info. Only these guys could tell about the long term effects of this surgery. Dates which I have mentioned might have a deviation of +/- 2 years.
5- @sanity how after CLL there is downgraded hormonal profile and that leads to arthritis?

Does anybody know how I can contact these guys on point 4? Would seriously like to know how they are doing. I really need to be complication free (as we all do). I mean I am willing to do anything that will help that. Stretches everyday, good diet, Ayurvedic stuff, yoga, breathing exercises, you name it! Until I die! Literally just to be pain free when and if I reach 70!

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Quote from: BeYourBest on March 18, 2019, 12:04:17 AMDoes anybody know how I can contact these guys on point 4? Would seriously like to know how they are doing. I really need to be complication free (as we all do). I mean I am willing to do anything that will help that. Stretches everyday, good diet, Ayurvedic stuff, yoga, breathing exercises, you name it! Until I die! Literally just to be pain free when and if I reach 70!

sometimes physical pain isnt the only problem but physical limitations. and yea i would love to talk to any of them. if u find the contact let me know.

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Quote from: Sanity on March 18, 2019, 09:30:38 AMsometimes physical pain isnt the only problem but physical limitations. and yea i would love to talk to any of them. if u find the contact let me know.

I mean as long as those physical limitations do not impact my everyday life then I suppose I can live with it. I mean that as long as I can walk, jog. gym, have sex like a normal person without pain then great. I would not mind if I am not able to kick above a short guys chest because I don't think I can do that now and it does not bother me. Also, I think I would be okay with not being able to sprint as fast as I could pre surgery. I don't think I've sprinted properly for years anyways and I would change the way I play football. I think I'd be more of a Pirlo like player and just control the game instead of running around like a Walcott (big football fan here lol)! 

I will do.

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Quote from: BeYourBest on March 18, 2019, 04:33:28 PMI mean as long as those physical limitations do not impact my everyday life then I suppose I can live with it. I mean that as long as I can walk, jog. gym, have sxx like a normal person without pain then great. I would not mind if I am not able to kick above a short guys chest because I don't think I can do that now and it does not bother me. Also, I think I would be okay with not being able to sprint as fast as I could pre surgery. I don't think I've sprinted properly for years anyways and I would change the way I play football. I think I'd be more of a Pirlo like player and just control the game instead of running around like a Walcott (big football fan here lol)! 

I will do.

that is the ideal scenario. every ll aspirant desires that not just u.