I can't stress it enough. It simply sucks being 5'5 with masculine frame and pretty (yet manly) face. I look like Johnny Bravo due to my relatively short leg-to-body ratio. Even though my tibia:femur ratio is ideal and my legs in general are perfectly aligned and look very manly, they are just short for my body and I look squarish due to big and wide frame. I have naturally wide shoulders, I don't even work out and still look like a truck.
These combination of traits make me look cartoonish and only thing that I lack is height and only in legs, not in torso. Even 4 inches total will suffice (2 + 2 split in tibia and femur). 5'9 with relatively long legs will be enough for me in order to get past that cartoonish look.
Now, the main topic:
When I wear manly clothes I get tons of attention from women of all ages and I kinda feel awkward because I know that they see me attractive but due to that cartoonish, Johnny Bravo proportions at 5'5, I'm 100% certain that majority of them (at least really good looking ones) see me as a toy, i.e. they would fk with me but avoid serious relationship due to lack of height.
By lack of height I mean just 3 inches, not 6 or 8 inches because if I was at least 5'8 with good leg-to-body ratio, that would be enough for majority of them due to my good looks and I would not be considered as a chadlet at that height with longish legs.
Now, looking like this at 5'5 brings some legit issues for me to form a meaningful relationship and I'll try to explain this in more detail below. What I will say is not something that's in my head only, it's a legit concern, so read below and you'll get an idea of what the problem is.
Basically, every woman I interact with smiles at me all the time during the conversation. Be it in a shop, in a street, in a university or in any kind of setting with any kind of woman imaginable (age, looks level, type, etc.). Their eyes just brighten up when they look at me in the eyes and and they giggle constantly when talking with me. This shiet is very awkward for me when the girl / woman is relatively taller than me (between 5'8-5'11). I feel that they are attracted to me but since I lack just 3 inches of height in order for them not to feel uncomfortable besides me, they won't consider dating me due to that reason alone and it has nothing to do with them, it's just a societal pressure and they are concerned of what other people, especially their family and friends think about it.
Only thing that can save a short man in that situation is status because at least when that kind of man has a status, the girls are less concerned of what their family members and friends think because they know that it won't be negative thoughts due to status halo. In that case, even if a girl is 4 inches taller than a man, she can marry him if she doesn't feel uncomfortable with that kind of height difference. The societal pressure will be less because the man is not some unknown guy and is famous and rich so people will approve her choice (especially her family and friends).
But, when a short guy is nor famous nor rich and even if a girl is attracted to him, her mind will get plagued by the worries of what her family and friends think when they see her with a short guy so they just avoid the relationship due to that reason.
This avoidant behavior due to societal pressure mostly applies to good looking women of any height and tall women of any looks level. Short and not good looking women know that society and her family / friends won't judge her with her choice of a man, even if a man is really short like 5'3 or below. So, they feel more relaxed and open entering in a relationship with someone that short, even if the guy is very plain looking or kinda ugly. But, they feel uncomfortable around good looking guys because of low self esteem, even if such a guy is 5'5 in height. And this brings the most legit concern of why being a so-called chadlet at 5'5 sucks.
Since majority of good looking women of any height avoid entering in a relationship with someone below 5'8, no matter how attracted they are with him, due to societal pressures, and only consider dating such a short guy if he's famous or rich since in that case at least they know that their family, friends and society at large won't judge her choice badly and instead think that she's lucky getting such a famous or rich man, she feels relaxed and if she's attracted to such a short guy, she enters in a relationship in that case.
Since I'm nor famous nor rich, that scenario is not gonna happen in my case so unless I become famous or rich, I'm doomed with good looking women because they won't consider me as a serious relationship material due to said societal pressures I talked above. No matter how attracted she might be towards me, she will force her to move on and find someone who is at least average in height and good looking or famous / rich. The third option besides getting famous or rich is getting LL and fix the root problem which, I think is the best decision and I'll explain it why later.
So, this leaves me with short and not pretty women but here comes the issue I was talking about: they don't expect that such a good looking guy (even if he's short) will become genuinely attracted to them and think that they are not a match for him, so they too will avoid entering in a serious relationship with such a good looking short guy but not because of societal pressures but because of her insecurities. They think that such a guy won't commit with them and cheat, try to find a good looking woman and ditch her or whatever. Even though they very are attracted to him, their insecurities will dictate her that it's not worth it forming a serious relationship with that good looking guy as it's pointless and will fail inevitably due to him being superior in looks to her, thus giving him incentive to cheat with good looking women on the side.
I've experienced both kind of avoidance I explained above. With good looking and even taller than me women who were attracted to me but never explicitly mentioned why they rejected me but everything was clear to me of course and with short, very plain looking women who were also attracted to me but avoided entering in a relationship due to their insecurities and concerns that most probably I would not commit with her for too long. And they also never mentioned that reason when they rejected me but everything was clear to me.
I remember one case when I met this short and plain looking girl who I messaged on Instagram first and she thought that my profile was fake because she didn't expect that I would hit her. It took a couple of days for her to become 100% sure that I was not fake, LOL. She was in doubts all the time while we were chatting and even told me explicitly that she feels insecure meeting with me. I had a very hard time convincing her that I wanted to meet her so she agreed at last, albeit with greater effort on my side (she was in doubts all the time). When I met her she was looking at me with bright eyes and was giggling all the time but was very anxious and insecure when we were walking. I told her that I like beautiful girls with feminine features and she got really upset the moment she heard that and told me: "You only care about looks, don't you see?". I told her that it has nothing to do with us and I found her attractive enough but she rejected me stating that she didn't feel the connection a man and a woman should have.
There was another case with a chubby girl, very plain looking, who also ghosted me after meeting with her. I added her on Instagram too and she was hesitant going out with me at first due to being busy or some bias but eventually met with me. She was meh in terms of looks but at least I tried to see her inner qualities so I talked with her while walking together on various topics and in the midst of nowhere my new neighbour appeared who I saw only once before and talked with her briefly. She was with her man and and at first I didn't recognise her but she identified me and immediately came to me and hugged me in a very awkward manner. Then she tried to kiss me but I avoided her. Her man was standing there as if it was nothing and even asked me to take her phone number to hang out with her periodically. It was very awkward for me and the girl I was hanging out with was standing there silent besides me.
That neighbour girl was hot AF with decent body and face though. After they went, that chubby girl I was hanging out with told me immediately that it looks like she has a thing for you and I replied IDK, maybe, but I don't know her well and I feel sorry of what happened, so let's just forget it, to which she replied that OK, and then we continued walking together briefly and I escorted her to her home. Before I tried to escort her, she asked me, are you going to escort me to home, like she was not expecting I was going to do that or something. Basically, after that meeting, I tried to meet her again but she avoided with reasons like she is busy or something, so I just never tried with her again.
So, these are my experiences with good looking and plain looking women. As you can see, for me, forming a serious relationship is an issue because good looking women are concerned of what her surrounding people will think about her when dating short man so they avoid me (even when it's obvious that she's attracted to me a lot) and plain looking women are insecure dating with me because they see me too good looking for her and I kinda give off a player vibes who never settles with one girl and likes to hang out with different girls all the time.
So, the only real solution for me are the following:
1. Become famous and get a status
2. Get rich
3. Get double LL of at least 4 inches
4. All of the above
1 is kinda easier for me because I'm not hideous but I don't want to do that at this point of my life because deep down I know that I'm going to do LL and I want to keep it as a secret, thus, it's impossible to do so if I become famous before LL.
2 is a bit harder and requires much effort so it's not something I'm striving for ATM.
3 requires money but not millions and at least I can get tibia LL of 2 inches in Russia in about a year or two. For femurs, I will need much more time to get the money but is doable in about 10 years from now.
4 is very hard but after getting double LL, it's possible to become famous and rich so I'm not excluding that possibility.
For me, the most legit and respectable option is getting LL and becoming at least 5'9 with good proportions so I can break this hard barrier of height and good looking women won't feel doubtful of what their surroundings will think about me since I won't be short anymore. I don't want to leverage fame and money in order to get a girl because I don't want her surroundings to be fake around me. I just want to become a better version of myself physically and the only thing I lack is height which is fixable by LL. I know it's a hard path and not necessary for me to enjoy this life if I become famous and rich instead but I'm a vain person and I want to do it for me in the first place and for women in the second. I want to look my best and feel as a complete man and not as a so-called chadlet in order to be confident around women knowing that they won't feel ashamed being with me.
Now, if I was a generic looking short guy with an average body frame, I would get away with forming a serious relationship with a short and plain looking girl but to be honest I don't want to settle with that kind of girl because I want the best and they are right when they think that I won't commit with them because they know that I will always try to get the best the moment I can. I just wanted to form a deep relationship and that's why I tried to settle with plain looking girls but they all rejected me immediately. I just didn't try to pursue them after the rejection, just moved on, not even explaining anything.
I want to feel that deep connection with a girl, even if she's not attractive and plain looking but I'm doomed as you can see. Either I get LL and get a pretty girl or I will be alone till my looks last and enjoy casual encounters only. But, I don't want to remain like this, I wan't to get a wife and since plain looking women feel insecure with me my only option is getting LL, becoming at least 5'9 and getting a really good looking girl as a wife.
I know it sucks.
You seem to have made up your mind already for 3 months.
I see you everywhere in this forum.
At this point you are just looking for validation.
Just do LL already and post your journey not any of this sorry story.
We all know how hurtful it is. Most of us are your size without chad looks going on with you.
Just do it bro, do a lot of stretching on the muscles for the bones that you’re doing. Don’t bulk the muscles. I only did 2 inches because I didn’t prep well prior to surgery and I didn’t want any permanent nerve damage. From 5’7.25 to 5’9.4. If I can go through the pain and prepare better, I would just to get more for my money. Right now I’m already doing my calisthenics work outs and going into my 8month post surgery with 0 issues. I had really fast bone regeneration.
if you don't mind me asking, do you feel the difference of doing 2 inch LL ?
Like was it worth it ? Do you experience better treatment from people around you ?
Asking because i am planning to do only about 6 cm LL as I already have shorter wingspan
Do you know your sitting height? Or the lenght of your tibias and femurs? I also have very short femurs at 163cm, it looks a bit ridicolous in pictures
I think that women view good looking, masculine short guys more of a joke compared with regular short dudes because they expect them to be at least average height or a tad below it, not short.
Sometimes, I think that it would have been better if I was a regular short dude with nerdy look because at least in that case I would have gotten in a serious relationship with some other nerdy girl because I see those kind of couples everyday in the streets where a guy is short, narrow framed and with average face. Some of them are even bald on top of being short, narrow framed and not attractive but still, they are with some other nerdy girl in a serious relationship.
It's hitting harder the more I remain single because it's not only about getting laid with random girls but to form a meaningful relationship with someone you are compatible with and when you are unable to do so you feel bad about yourself.
IDK man, I feel I've been cursed the moment I was born.
Two inches for me, made a good difference. I had people around my previous height being able to tell I was taller. I have a 5’9.5-5’10 wingspan with a long torso. My femurs were slightly smaller than my tibias 379/457= 0.8293. I also have a larger head which I think looks better proportioned with my new height. I have a mix of a square body with athletic look and I’m really happy with the outcome. I would even consider tibias to match my wingspan and some change to get to 5’11 if it wasn’t so expensive. My ROM is back and my athletic ability I feel is back to 100% due to only doing 2 inches.
My brother is 2 inches taller than me and I feel short when he stands besides me. It's a solid height difference and 100% worth it to get at any height below 5'8.
5'8 to 5'9 is the proper average range to target. 5'10 is the ideal average but tbh, most people actually consider 5'9 as average. It depends on where you live and your race. If you're Asian or middle eastern, you can get away with just being 5'8, 175cm in some parts of Asia like Japan, it's considered tall, SK is an exception since there's a lot of cosmetic surgeries there. Even in US, Asian-Americans, basically Asians who grew up in US nutrition, environment, and part of middle-class, 5'8 is considered pretty good, and is actually considered somewhat taller than average of them. Personally, I'm Asian and I can use that excuse myself. My target is 5'8.5~5'9 as well, but only 5'10~5'11 or even 6' if I think I still can do more and want more.
If you're caucasian, then I'd say, 5'8 is not really a bit short, but still slightly under average. People still consider 5'9 as average whether most people in social media say it isn't. Social media, especially from women's perspective skewed that perception hard, that even goes far to saying 5'10 is short. Midwesterners though, if you're compared to them, it's a bit hard since they're mostly of European descent, they're mostly all just taller than average, and 6' being quite common in the midwest. FWIW, Victor, aka Cyborg4Life is slightly over 5'8 afaik, and he looks fantastic.
People who say 5'8 isn't good enough really needs to reevaluate some things. Most of those issues stem from women, and honestly if you're going to be dating a woman who's as shallow as rejecting you due to height, then just don't date them, you just avoided a red flag. 5'8 is good enough, if you want to go 5'9 that's also good as well, but if you want to focus on recovery, don't go past 5'9 unless you think of going quad with this which is another entire topic.
Personally, I'm not wanting this surgery because of women, I mean it's good to look taller than a lot of women, but one reason is that I just don't want to look like a chump with other dudes taller than me that looks like I can be a pushover. Which happens more often than you think especially when you're also muscular. You're intimidating, but not intimating enough. Not like I want to bother people, I just don't want people thinking I'm someone to be bothered.
Quote from: Precise2.2 on June 02, 2024, 09:12:47 PMTwo inches for me, made a good difference. I had people around my previous height being able to tell I was taller. I have a 5’9.5-5’10 wingspan with a long torso. My femurs were slightly smaller than my tibias 379/457= 0.8293. I also have a larger head which I think looks better proportioned with my new height. I have a mix of a square body with athletic look and I’m really happy with the outcome. I would even consider tibias to match my wingspan and some change to get to 5’11 if it wasn’t so expensive. My ROM is back and my athletic ability I feel is back to 100% due to only doing 2 inches.
Sameish with femurs and wingspan slightly over 5'10. My femurs are shorter and noticeably so, than my tibias. Which is why my default surgery would definitely be femurs over tibias. Although I'd have to go slightly over 2 inches, around 6 cm to reach 5'9 since I'm slightly over 5'6.
It sounds like you’re rejecting yourself, a lot of mind reading going on where you try and interpret how women feel based on eye contact and societal standards. Have you actually had women tell you “you’re too short for me?” 5’5” is short but it is actually more essential for less good looking short guys to get LL than good looking short guys. This is due to the “halo effect” which essentially is a psychological effect where someone has one superior trait that makes their negative traits less noticeable. So a pretty girl will have red flags ignored by guys because she’s hot. Or a tall guy who’s abusive or ugly will still be desired by women because he’s tall. The same also applies to face. If a guy is very good looking it can to some extent offset his diminished height. You can take two guys, both 5’5” but one is average facially the other good looking, and the good looking guy will be less rejected on his height because his face is a halo . So to be honest I don’t really feel sorry for you, being a Chadlet doesn’t suck, being an ugly manlet sucks. Count your blessings man, obviously you’re short but being good looking is a gift you should have some gratitude for what you’re given. Get LL for yourself but don’t sit here and complain about the woes of being a good looking short guy when so many people have it far worse.
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