Betzbone or Precise?

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Quote from: Tallerin2025 on August 31, 2024, 06:06:11 AMPrecise Max is not available in South Africa or?

Probably not before 2025.

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Quote from: Body Builder on August 30, 2024, 08:37:25 PMSoft tissues adaptation is the biggest issue in LL otherwise we could lengthen at rates of 0,5cm oer day and use a bone graft and gain 8cm in 2 weeks.
But if you do that you will not able to walk again.

You are completely ignorant and don't know even basic staff about LL. I hope you are never do LL because you will be completely ruined.

I see no reason or evidence soft tissues cannot adapt to extensive lengthening over longer periods of time. If you provided me with a study, I would definitely read it and make up my opinion accordingly. Otherwise, it is just fearmongering.

And yes, I plan to lengthen way over 16 cm in the span of couple years, so I don't live with regret of losing massive amount of money to become just slightly below average or average height.
People here who seriously consider lengthening 5 cm or so are hilarious, your life experience won't change in the slightest. And even if you do full 16 cm, it doesn't matter if you are like 5'1 or so, you will still be the short guy anywhere in the West, so you are just wasting your time and effort.

For really short people every inch counts and the shorter you are, the more you are willing to look past "muah my legs are 0.005 percent longer than my torso now" or "oh no i can't run a marathon in under 5 hours ahhh". Honestly, anyone who cares about proportions or biomechanics too much is either privileged enough not to be short enough or is just not serious about this surgery at all.

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Quote from: heightiseverything on September 03, 2024, 05:48:17 PMI see no reason or evidence soft tissues cannot adapt to extensive lengthening over longer periods of time. If you provided me with a study, I would definitely read it and make up my opinion accordingly. Otherwise, it is just fearmongering.

And yes, I plan to lengthen way over 16 cm in the span of couple years, so I don't live with regret of losing massive amount of money to become just slightly below average or average height. People here who seriously consider lengthening 5 cm or so are hilarious, your life experience won't change in the slightest. And even if you do full 16 cm, it doesn't matter if you are 5'1 or so, you will still be the short guy anywhere in the West.
What are the longer periods of time? 16cm in 3 months?
Most people have bad knee rom with 7-8cm on femurs in 3 months without itb release and you talk for much more and you need evidence for something that is common knowledge.
You can try yourself 16 cm on femurs, go to Turkey or India where are willing crooks to do it. And write a diary to share your experience. If you dare.

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Quote from: Body Builder on September 03, 2024, 06:28:58 PMWhat are the longer periods of time? 16cm in 3 months?
Most people have bad knee rom with 7-8cm on femurs in 3 months without itb release and you talk for much more and you need evidence for something that is common knowledge.
You can try yourself 16 cm on femurs, go to Turkey or India where are willing crooks to do it. And write a diary to share your experience. If you dare.

No, probably no one can gain 16 cm safely in 3 months. What I meant by that is you let the bone consolidate after doing 8 cm and then wait 1-1.5 years before you re-break and lengthen it again.

I will. I've just realized I may be still growing, so probably it will happen later than I initially planned (as I believe it is better to wait till your growth plates are already closed).

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Quote from: heightiseverything on September 03, 2024, 06:35:42 PMNo, probably no one can gain 16 cm safely in 3 months. What I meant by that is you let the bone consolidate after doing 8 cm and then wait 1-1.5 years before you re-break and lengthen it again.

I will. I've just realized I may be still growing, so probably it will happen later than I initially planned (as I believe it is better to wait till your growth plates are already closed).
Have you ever heard about biomechanics?
Also, have you ever seen anyone do 16cm on one segment? Do you believe that you are the only who have thought this or the only one that needs that extra height?

16 cm in one run or two or three is feasible for the bone but even if soft tissues will catch up (which they won't), the biomechanics will be so ruined that you may not even able to walk at all.
But you could try it and see on your own.

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I think that 8 cm for femur and 5 cm for tibia is the maximum range. Above you can go in a wheelchair. When I read the experiences of others, problems often start from 5 cm on femur and 4 cm on tibia.

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Quote from: Robert Adam on September 04, 2024, 06:25:21 AMI think that 8 cm for femur and 5 cm for tibia is the maximum range. Above you can go in a wheelchair. When I read the experiences of others, problems often start from 5 cm on femur and 4 cm on tibia.
Not every person is the same. Things like starting height and flexibility increase the limit. The tibia or femur extension of someone who is 1.70 cm tall and someone who is 1.60 cm tall will not be the same.

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Quote from: Body Builder on September 03, 2024, 10:39:42 PMHave you ever heard about biomechanics?
Also, have you ever seen anyone do 16cm on one segment? Do you believe that you are the only who have thought this or the only one that needs that extra height?

16 cm in one run or two or three is feasible for the bone but even if soft tissues will catch up (which they won't), the biomechanics will be so ruined that you may not even able to walk at all.
But you could try it and see on your own.

Lots of people here mean very different things when they talk about "biomechanics". What do you mean by that? Is it the angle shift? I don't see a problem with that according to my calculations, it is marginal at best. Otherwise, no one really cares for how "perfect" your movements are because your femurs or tibias happen to be longer. There are tons of people with various variations.

Furthermore, do you know that in case the soft tissue doesn't catch up there is a release surgery designed specifically for that? You probably do, even some people on this forum got it done.

To sum it up, I don't see any reason at all why you can't relengthen the same part after consolidation. The procedure is exactly the same anyways.

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Quote from: heightiseverything on September 04, 2024, 11:53:07 AMLots of people here mean very different things when they talk about "biomechanics". What do you mean by that? Is it the angle shift? I don't see a problem with that according to my calculations, it is marginal at best. Otherwise, no one really cares for how "perfect" your movements are because your femurs or tibias happen to be longer. There are tons of people with various variations.

Furthermore, do you know that in case the soft tissue doesn't catch up there is a release surgery designed specifically for that? You probably do, even some people on this forum got it done.

To sum it up, I don't see any reason at all why you can't relengthen the same part after consolidation. The procedure is exactly the same anyways.
Won't continue this stupid conversation.
If you believe you can gain 16cm in femurs and be fine then just do it. I'll wait to see your results.

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Quote from: Body Builder on September 04, 2024, 02:43:07 PMWon't continue this stupid conversation.
If you believe you can gain 16cm in femurs and be fine then just do it. I'll wait to see your results.

You haven't provided a single argument on why it's not possible, except for lack of people who have done it. This is not an argument.

Yes, you can argue it is going to be exponentially harder with PT and stretching, and may end up with increased rate of complications (the vast majority of them: nonunion, nerve pain, etc. being fairly treatable!, btw), but it is a long shot from impossible. To argue something is impossible, the burden of proof is on you.

If there are people who have gained 12 cm on femurs in a single surgery, it implies it is at least possible to get 16 cm with two surgeries.