Quote from: SirStretchAlot on October 23, 2021, 05:46:31 PMI did my ITB release seperately with Giotikas. I've advocated for it so much that Betz is now making exceptions for patients who want it done.
Tight ITB is actually the usual cause for knee problems. In fact most atheletes with tight bands eventually get them released when physio fails.
Remember, the TFL is only 15cm long. Stretching it by 10cm or 66% of its original length will have severe reprocussions when it's injured.
Cutting the ITB saved me 2-3cm of TFL lengthening. You're essentially trading the safety of your fibrous tissues (ITB), for an actual soft tissues (TFL). I'd make that trade any day. Betz is the only one who doesn't perform ITB, and even that is changing.
Yes, Tight ITB band can cause knee problems, but a harmed/weak IT band can cause problems too. There are tons of papers about that. Just google it.
You were just impatient and harmed your body for no reason, unlike dozens of other Betz patients who took their time and went back to normal without IT band release.
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Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on October 23, 2021, 01:28:51 PMI disagree. The majority of Betz patients do not do IT band release and we are fine. I'm fine 9 years later after 9,5cm.
What most Doctors that do IT band release don't tell you is that your IT band won't ever be as strong again if you release it and this can give you knee problems later.
You had your surgery with Betz, then follow his advice which is to not do IT band release unless you're an extreme case.
It’s insane how “being busy” is an excuse to not check up on your patient in which you mangled his legs with 2 surgeries. You could have been left with lifelong pain, I just think betz only cares about 1 thing and 1 thing only: money. He took your money and did not follow up, he’s old and should be retired but he’s preying off people like us with mental illness, along with allowing you to get 10CM!!!!!! 10 CM bro. Your legs are gonna most likely recover at 75% 3 years post op, no real doctor would allow that, no way in fk all paley, mahb or even giotikas would allow that medical malpractice to occur. I do not hate any doctor in any way, but just from this journal and other journals in the last year, it seems Betz just stopped giving 2 s and an Indian doctor doing LON would do a better job than he aims to do.
Lol just because SOME patients lengthened a lot and didn't have ITB issues doesn't mean that in most cases it's not absolutely required! Why would you let patients potentially run around with duckass deformity and wide legs for months and months on end? what good does that do?do you know what kind of chain reaction running around like that is produced in your body? Instead of doing a very simple procedure upfront that prevents all of that bull youre basically playing Russian roulette with them and give them potential disabilities that keeps them from walking permanently if not addressed later on in another surgery. Betz is against releases and has No valid reason to show for that. "not wanting to harm healthy tissue" is pointless when that "healthy" tissue is producing major deformities during and after lengthing. Even a child would understand that concept. Reading through diaries on this forum clearly shows how many patients got this problem and how careless he reacted to most of them. But I guess all these patients are wrong and just "aren't doing enough PT" or even funnier "don't stretch out their ITB enough" right? But hey at the same time they are gladly allowed to lengthen 8,9,10,11cm right?
Ehh....
Dear buddy,
I booked my surgery with Dr.Betz in Jan 2022. So with regards to the tight IT bands, intensive physio sessions and stretching won't solve out the problem when it comes to the IT band tightness?" Did Dr.Betz tell you other ways to get rid of it other than doing IT band release surgery? (I know that he refuses to do the extra surgery for IT band release).
Quote from: Limblengtheningwarrior on November 04, 2021, 01:06:01 PMDear buddy,
I booked my surgery with Dr.Betz in Jan 2022. So with regards to the tight IT bands, intensive physio sessions and stretching won't solve out the problem when it comes to the IT band tightness?" Did Dr.Betz tell you other ways to get rid of it other than doing IT band release surgery? (I know that he refuses to do the extra surgery for IT band release).
Well it depends on how much you will lengthen but in general the ITB is known to be Ver very stubborn to stretching hence why most well known docs do an ITB release profilactically, if you want to lengthen a certain amount.
Betz always tells his patients with ITB problems to do more PT or train harder which is straight up insane considering how many of his patients suffer with these issues and they can't do anything about it except go for a release surgery later on. He didn't tell me anything about potential ITB issues upfront and when I told him about the problem via WhatsApp he straight up ignored me.
I'm 4 months into consolidation, wasn't able to walk one step unassisted due to this issue until I had my release surgery on monday. Today I was walking outside WITHOUT crutches for the first time so since the surgery on Monday I made more progress than the past 7 months with the tight ITB hindering my walking gait. GO Figure. makes me angry when people on here downplay this as if it's not that important or it's just something you can "stretch out" like a muscle. IT'S NOT THE SAME AT All.
Who wants to lengthen for 3 months and do up to 1 year of daily intense PT on your itb just to be able to (maybe!) walk again?this is totally unnecessary suffering that could easily be prevented and betz has NO valid reason to not lengthen the ITB, a lot of his patients suffer from duckass/wide legs and he straight up ignores them or even worse blames them for the issue.
Hope that answers your question.
I have an email from Dr. Betz's wife where I write in detail about the complaints on ITB release and she says, if you want it released, just ask for it and he will do it no problem. When I consulted with him, he said it's unnecessary but he will do it if you request it prior to the surgery. I believe this is new and he didn't do this before.
Quote from: LU213 on November 04, 2021, 05:03:49 PMI have an email from Dr. Betz's wife where I write in detail about the complaints on ITB release and she says, if you want it released, just ask for it and he will do it no problem. When I consulted with him, he said it's unnecessary but he will do it if you request it prior to the surgery. I believe this is new and he didn't do this before.
Ah okay interesting. but still... Him saying it's "unnecessary" is a flat out lie.I mean HE should guide his patients regarding that based on how much length they want to go for, not leave the choice up to unexperienced potential patients and let them decide, after all he is the expert and he needs to know when a release is necessary and when it's maybe optional. Damn,so backwards. I really liked betz at first but his behavior as a surgeon is straight up shady and dishonest in a way.
Quote from: LegendKiller on November 04, 2021, 04:04:36 PMWell it depends on how much you will lengthen but in general the ITB is known to be Ver very stubborn to stretching hence why most well known docs do an ITB release profilactically, if you want to lengthen a certain amount.
Betz always tells his patients with ITB problems to do more PT or train harder which is straight up insane considering how many of his patients suffer with these issues and they can't do anything about it except go for a release surgery later on. He didn't tell me anything about potential ITB issues upfront and when I told him about the problem via WhatsApp he straight up ignored me.
I'm 4 months into consolidation, wasn't able to walk one step unassisted due to this issue until I had my release surgery on monday. Today I was walking outside WITHOUT crutches for the first time so since the surgery on Monday I made more progress than the past 7 months with the tight ITB hindering my walking gait. GO Figure. makes me angry when people on here downplay this as if it's not that important or it's just something you can "stretch out" like a muscle. IT'S NOT THE SAME AT All.
Who wants to lengthen for 3 months and do up to 1 year of daily intense PT on your itb just to be able to (maybe!) walk again?this is totally unnecessary suffering that could easily be prevented and betz has NO valid reason to not lengthen the ITB, a lot of his patients suffer from duckass/wide legs and he straight up ignores them or even worse blames them for the issue.
Hope that answers your question.
I am more conservative than you of course but I had no wide legs. Like none whatsoever. Therefore I am glad Betz didn't cut any more of my soft tissue than needed, and so I agree with him that ITB release needs to be specifically requested by whoever wants / needs it, and definitely shouldn't be the default course of action. So yeah, there are different points of view 
Good luck!
I did 10cm and I didn't need IT band release. Most Betz patients don't need it. He's correct in not suggesting this for the majority of patients. It's always better to not have unnecessary extra surgeries.
Legendkiiller stop generalizing - your case is not the norm for most Betz patients, including the ones that did 9cm or 10cm. You needed IT band release, most of his patients don't.
Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on November 04, 2021, 08:29:18 PMI did 10cm and I didn't need IT band release. Most Betz patients don't need it. He's correct in not suggesting this for the majority of patients. It's always better to not have unnecessary extra surgeries.
Legendkiiller stop generalizing - your case is not the norm for most Betz patients, including the ones that did 9cm or 10cm. You needed IT band release, most of his patients don't.
LOL that not true at all. It's not like I was one only case needing it, some don't but a lot of people do and that's why he's unprofessional in letting THEM decide now whether or not they want to have that done. He should tell them based on their goals and their individual flexibility! He didn't even tell me about that potential issue during the consultation or after at all! Not one word. When I told him about me having wide legs and itb issues even months after lengthing asking him for a release he simply ignored me and one time even told me to "stop texting me because he had other clients to answer". You think that is professional?? I paid him 52K and he couldn't even respond to texts and basically told me to not write him anymore.
I talked to other people and a buddy of mine who had surgery on the same date and he also ghosted them later on. You talk about me generalizing but that blind betz statement "it's not needed/unnecessary" is a slap in the face for every patient who needed it later on and we'll you should read a few diaries or talk to a few people outside and you'll find out that quite a lot of people had these issues and had it fixed later on. Get out of your bubble just because YOU didn't need it. You were lucky then.
Defend him all you want but even aside all of that his behavior as a surgeon and his noncare afterwards is something potential patients need to know about because it's really a shame and sadly quite "the norm.".
Btw: didn't you have surgery with him like 9 or 10 years ago? he might have been different then with keeping up with clients when he was a little younger but right now it's totally gone downhill. You can't tell people who paid you over 50k for surgery to shut up and ignore their issues. I really hope that's at least a point we both agree on dude!
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