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Posted on Jan 11, 2014, 11:52 am
#11

Quote from: Sweden on January 11, 2014, 11:40:56 AM
If I would do my femurs and go back to my old life I would be totally ridiculed.

This is a very difficult decision.
I don't know really what to do. Maybe I should just leave it like it is.


how about doing a quick one on femur?
I mean if you do just 4 cm, you will not only reach your goal but you can return much faster to life and people will just think it was a casual vacation.
Also they won't notice the 4 cm increase too much and won't ridicule you.

4 cm in femurs with internal like g-nail, i mean u could probably be back walking in 2 months time.

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Posted on Jan 11, 2014, 12:11 pm
#12

Haha. I did 7,4 in India and gained 5cm  Height Shrunk After LL Surgery
Doing 4cm maybe makes me gain 1cm....

No kidding. I've been thinking about that and use external on femurs for a very small gain as my room mate did in India but I'm just not sure.

If I go to Dr Guichet I will do 7/7,5cm to get some bang for the buck.

I can already see that my legs are a little on the long side.
We are all proportionate if we don't suffer from some kind of disease so gaining 7cm on tibias will make your legs look long in some positions.
If I do another 6-7cm I could end up like a freak.

That's why 4cm is a good and healthy idea.

Maybe I'll go with the HLN for 6cm.
Then I'll be like 182something after I've shrunk from that......

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Posted on Jan 11, 2014, 3:15 pm
#13

Quote from: Doflamingo on January 11, 2014, 11:08:59 AMIt might be possible due the compression in his legs before being 100% healed, but what about the rods inside his legs? How is this even possible?
My guess is the compression in his spine, give it a week rest and I'm pretty sure he'll be back at where he was 180.
Maybe he should take an x ray of his legs and confirm how much it has actually been lengthened.


It's not.  There's no way the bone is going to compress like that with an IM nail inside it.

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Posted on Jan 11, 2014, 3:56 pm
#14

Sweden is the freaking Houdini of LL  Height Shrunk After LL Surgery
He will do 20 cm and then it will end up being 2 cm.
Thats called "Sweden Magic".

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Posted on Jan 11, 2014, 11:29 pm
#15

Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on January 11, 2014, 03:15:47 PMIt's not.  There's no way the bone is going to compress like that with an IM nail inside it.

thought so.

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Posted on Jan 12, 2014, 1:05 am
#16

Quote from: Wannabegiant on January 11, 2014, 09:44:23 AMCan the bone contract during consolidation phase? i thought that was impossible unless you fractured it again, since the "outer shell" of the bone should be solid already pretty soon after lengthening, is this inaccurate?

Also i figured that it was the doctor that measured the x-rays, so that it is done accurately, had no idea that this was the patients responsibility.


I was referring to the patient who lost 2.5cm in the message. He still has the frame on and it was a common theme at the guesthouse that you could lose height if you put pressure on your tibias. As the result, my 2nd roommate and I lay in bed for the entire duration of the lengthening phase. My 3rd roommate lost 2cm and I advised him to stop standing up. Some people may disagree. Even the doctor and the physio will tell you to stand up to improve your callus formation. But we had our own opinion and figure it would be better to get the length asap, have the frame off and then focus on recovering. Living for 4-5 months with those metal frames around your legs, with the pins sticking out of your flesh, were like being tortured in hell.

After being screwed over a few times, I developed my own common sense and be my own semi-doctor. Even when I had the frames removed, I was careful not to put too pressure on my legs, fearing the rod may bend or even my bone bending. Common sense also dictates me that I focused mainly on cardio exercises for the past 6 months, until last week, I want to prove to Sweden that I could lift those weights.

As for Sweden, I don't know. I had a feeling that he was overly optimistic in the final x-ray, which was the one taken after frame removal. I will keep this to myself Height Shrunk After LL Surgery Plus, in the early phase, you need to take into account of ballerina when you measure yourself. Of course, your height will be less as your heel becomes flat to the floor.

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Posted on Jan 12, 2014, 3:26 am
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Quote from: Smallguy on January 12, 2014, 01:05:57 AMI was referring to the patient who lost 2.5cm in the message. He still has the frame on and it was a common theme at the guesthouse that you could lose height if you put pressure on your tibias. As the result, my 2nd roommate and I lay in bed for the entire duration of the lengthening phase. My 3rd roommate lost 2cm and I advised him to stop standing up. Some people may disagree. Even the doctor and the physio will tell you to stand up to improve your callus formation. But we had our own opinion and figure it would be better to get the length asap, have the frame off and then focus on recovering. Living for 4-5 months with those metal frames around your legs, with the pins sticking out of your flesh, were like being tortured in hell.

After being screwed over a few times, I developed my own common sense and be my own semi-doctor. Even when I had the frames removed, I was careful not to put too pressure on my legs, fearing the rod may bend or even my bone bending. Common sense also dictates me that I focused mainly on cardio exercises for the past 6 months, until last week, I want to prove to Sweden that I could lift those weights.

As for Sweden, I don't know. I had a feeling that he was overly optimistic in the final x-ray, which was the one taken after frame removal. I will keep this to myself Height Shrunk After LL Surgery Plus, in the early phase, you need to take into account of ballerina when you measure yourself. Of course, your height will be less as your heel becomes flat to the floor.


I thought you could get pin bending from standing with the frames on during lengthening phase, not actually lose height. And if you got pin bending the leg wouldnt actually have been lengthened so you turn more to fix that, but you dont really lose height, or am i missing something?

Also im not sure how to measure myself in those x-rays, i mean I suppose to be accurate you need to stand up and measure vertically, but are the scans in scale 1:1? I hope i can trust the doctor that i actually lengthened the right ammount when im done..

and ballerina foot wont be much of a problem for me as im lengthening 4 cms only.

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Posted on Jan 12, 2014, 5:44 am
#18

Quote from: Wannabegiant on January 12, 2014, 03:26:38 AMI thought you could get pin bending from standing with the frames on during lengthening phase, not actually lose height. And if you got pin bending the leg wouldnt actually have been lengthened so you turn more to fix that, but you dont really lose height, or am i missing something?

Also im not sure how to measure myself in those x-rays, i mean I suppose to be accurate you need to stand up and measure vertically, but are the scans in scale 1:1? I hope i can trust the doctor that i actually lengthened the right ammount when im done..

and ballerina foot wont be much of a problem for me as im lengthening 4 cms only.


I hope we are on the same page. Yes, your leg is lengthened. If you distract say, 7cm, then your leg is technically longer by 7cm because the gap where the bone is broken is widen by 7cm. Some people would say that would not be an accurate reflection of your height because you are not standing up. But I'm not going into that sort of detail. I say give or take 7cm.

Because the pin and the frame are not perfect, it won't be able to bear your full weight. When the patient has say, 7cm, and he stands up, his full weight compresses down on the metal frame that holds the tibias together and bending the pin. And when the pin bends, it compresses down on the gap. Thus, the patient loses the 7cm. That's my idea. And I have witness many patients who have lost height (or the gap) this way.

Why this gap is so important? Because your gain is only millimeters per day. Sometime you have stay for 4 months for 8cm if you're lucky. And every day when you wear the metal frame, it's a living hell. The pin constantly cuts through your flesh. You feel all sort of pain. And it's highly comfortable to sleep with. The pain of external LL is the worst. Patients fail to achieve their desirable gain, not because of surgical complications... Most of the time, you can wait out your complications. For example, if you have nerve issue like Asoka or lack of callus, you can wait out until your nerve comes back or your callus is better formed... but patient fail because they cannot bear the pain. So my idea is to lengthen asap and achieve your desirable height. That's what you come there for in the first place. Then once the frame is removed, then you can focus on your recovery.

I know a lot of guys who have never experienced LL will disagree with me on this one. They would say, long term recovery is just as equally important as height gain. If you rush you risk damaging your soft tissue, etc But if every day of your life has been a living hell for the past 4 months, the pin is cutting through your flesh and giving you constant pain... and you already paid a fortune for this surgery, then I say it's okay to try to get your goal achieved quickly and get this over with.

This was my experience in India.

There is no accurate way to measure your gap using the Indian x-ray. I usually minus 5mm just in case. The x-ray at Sarin's hospital is more high tech. He uses that one to determine how much the patient has gained. That was the one that I and Sweden were used to determine how much we gained. I don't know how Sangari's patient or other doctors measure their patient.

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Posted on Jan 12, 2014, 6:40 am
#19

Quote from: Smallguy on January 12, 2014, 05:44:24 AMI hope we are on the same page. Yes, your leg is lengthened. If you distract say, 7cm, then your leg is technically longer by 7cm because the gap where the bone is broken is widen by 7cm. Some people would say that would not be an accurate reflection of your height because you are not standing up. But I'm not going into that sort of detail. I say give or take 7cm.

Because the pin and the frame are not perfect, it won't be able to bear your full weight. When the patient has say, 7cm, and he stands up, his full weight compresses down on the metal frame that holds the tibias together and bending the pin. And when the pin bends, it compresses down on the gap. Thus, the patient loses the 7cm. That's my idea. And I have witness many patients who have lost height (or the gap) this way.

Why this gap is so important? Because your gain is only millimeters per day. Sometime you have stay for 4 months for 8cm if you're lucky. And every day when you wear the metal frame, it's a living hell. The pin constantly cuts through your flesh. You feel all sort of pain. And it's highly comfortable to sleep with. The pain of external LL is the worst. Patients fail to achieve their desirable gain, not because of surgical complications... Most of the time, you can wait out your complications. For example, if you have nerve issue like Asoka or lack of callus, you can wait out until your nerve comes back or your callus is better formed... but patient fail because they cannot bear the pain. So my idea is to lengthen asap and achieve your desirable height. That's what you come there for in the first place. Then once the frame is removed, then you can focus on your recovery.

I know a lot of guys who have never experienced LL will disagree with me on this one. They would say, long term recovery is just as equally important as height gain. If you rush you risk damaging your soft tissue, etc But if every day of your life has been a living hell for the past 4 months, the pin is cutting through your flesh and giving you constant pain... and you already paid a fortune for this surgery, then I say it's okay to try to get your goal achieved quickly and get this over with.

This was my experience in India.

There is no accurate way to measure your gap using the Indian x-ray. I usually minus 5mm just in case. The x-ray at Sarin's hospital is more high tech. He uses that one to determine how much the patient has gained. That was the one that I and Sweden were used to determine how much we gained. I don't know how Sangari's patient or other doctors measure their patient.


To be honest i agree with you, I also would prefer to get it done as soon as possible (lengthening fast with double cut) so i can return home as fast as possible even if it means i will take a bit longer to recover 100% in terms of nerves and soft tissue.

If standing up reduces the risk of the gap closing from the body weight, then i will probably lay in bed for most of the lengthening phase. In my case only lengthening 4 cms means i wouldnt have to lay in bed for that long, so i probably wont lose to much muscle strenght anyway.

But arent the external frames supposed to be stable enought to keep the bones steady in place, preserving the gap? I guess there is some sort of weight limit that it can withstand. I weight like 64 Kilos only so they should be able to hold that weight without losing height gain.

But after lengthening phase is over, and you are in consolidation phase, is there still a risk of losing height by just standing up and walking? I cant imagine having to lay down for like 4 months total, i cant think of any other patients that did that. I mean during consolidation phase I assume there would already be solid callus on the outer part of the bones, keeping the bone from compressing, while the inner part of the bone keeps healing until it is strong enough to carry the body weight again without the frame.

Not sure if we are on the same page, maybe i misunderstood you.

But Dr. Mirzoyan unlike those indian doctors, has a set price per cm, so if you pay him for a certain length it should be his responsibility to assure the patient he got the height he paid for, at least thats what im going to tell him when i meet him.

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Posted on Jan 12, 2014, 2:15 pm
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haha sweden speaks to confidently about the procedure, inb4 amputation xD (jk)

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