I've found a phenomenon that although he or she is already taller than a region's average height by even 5cms,still exclaims his height is on average or even below average.I dunno vanity plays a role or it's real that average height is not only just statistic and you should get taller than the average height by 5cm-10cms to be considered as normal.
But I found this phenomenon just in China.
Recently I've met an overseas Chinese girl who said in a European country where she dwells in with 176-177cm average height statistically,a 183cm tall man can be called 'tall' by both men and girls but in China although even millenials average height is only 173cm(You can say 178cm or 180cm but I wanna tell you this thread won't show welcome to retards like you),185cm can win attraction on dating.
Is my country too heightism or average height is just a piece of statistic lie?
How many centimeters below average height a man should be considered 'short'?
It is an interesting question that I believe anyone who visits here will have wondered about often, I know I have.
The best answer I have been able to conjure on the matter is this:
Height follows a normal distribution (gaussian distribution in math). With a normal distribution you have what is called a standard deviation, which quantifies the spread. In this case it would be the spread of male heights in the population. One standard deviation is defined as the 68th percentile. Meaning that 68% of male height will lie within this range. Two standard deviations are known as the 95th percentile. Meaning that 95% of male height will lie within this range. Three standard deviations is known as the 99th percentile. Meaning that 99% of male heights will lie in this range.
In the image below you can see the area between -1σ and 1σ is the one standard deviation range. Meaning that 68% of male heights will lie in this range and consequently considered average heights.
Anything below -1σ can objectively be categorized as short in my opinion. Everything above +1σ can be consequently be considered tall in my opinion. Then you have heights below -2σ which is very short and below -3σ extremely short.
What height these ranges correspond to will depend on which country you are living in.
As an example in Denmark, statistics from 2007-2008 show that for young adult males (ages between 18-24) at the time, the mean height in this normal distribution was approximately 182 cm. The 1 negative standard deviation (-σ) was approximately 178 cm. The negative second standard deviation (-2σ) was about 172 cm. The 1 positive standard deviation (σ) was approximately 187 cm, so this is where you would be considered tall. The second positive standard deviation (2σ) was approximately 194 cm, so this where you would be considered very tall. Source: https://www.sdu.dk/sif/-/media/images/sif/projekter/projekter_dokumenter/kram/resultater/fra+helbredundersoegelsen/anthropometry.pdf
These numbers will of course be different for other countries. If you live in the Netherlands they will be higher while if you live in Italy or Mexico they will be lower. This can also explain why some people here on the LL forums will consider LL at a height of say 5'8" (173 cm) if they live in a tall country, while for someone in a shorter country, 5'8" (173 cm) will be a perfect height and they cannot understand why someone with that height would consider LL.
American distribution for men
THIS IS ONLY FOR AMERICA INCLUDING IMMIGRANTS.
I can definitely see it being different if you are in Netherlands, Mexico, Phillipines, etc.
-1 SD: 170.8cm (~5'7) Bottom 16% of society
-2 SD: 163.2cm (~5'4) Bottom 2% of society
-3 SD: ~150cm (~5'0 and less) Effectively bottom 0% of society. In 100 out of 100 rooms you enter, you will probably be the shortest man every time. You probably have never met any guy shorter than you that doesn't have achondroplasia/dwarfism.
Personal thoughts(remember this is for America only on average + immigrants, different reactions if you are in an all white city, in the Netherlands, etc):
-1 SD: Damn, sucks, but you will not always be the shortest guy wherever you go, still less than ideal but you'll be alright at least half the time. I could see you being insecure about it, you are shorter than roughly 80% of all men you see. At least you're taller than the vast majority of women! Disclaimer: PLENTY OF GUYS AT THIS HEIGHT HAVE NO NEUROSIS AT ALL AND ARE CONFIDENT AF! But totally understandable if that's not you
-2 SD: Damn, your basically the shortest dude whereever you go, but you occasionally see some dude shorter every few weeks, tough stuff I could definitely see height neurosis developing just by virtue of being towered by everyone else. You're shorter than effectively 98% of all men you see. And you are probably at the same height as the average women, so half of them will eclipse you. Feel really bad for you man.
-3 SD: Damn, you are the shortest guy you probably have ever seen except dwarfism patients, really tough man. You are the shortest man in your life probably. I have no words but I truly feel for you and I know you definitely are justified in whatever height neurosis or dysphoria you have 100%. It sucks man, I have the utmost respect if you do something great of yourself and ignore the stupid height trait and neurosis.
i am 3 
Quote from: Serilium on May 02, 2021, 04:45:23 PMAmerican distribution for men
THIS IS ONLY FOR AMERICA INCLUDING IMMIGRANTS.
I can definitely see it being different if you are in Netherlands, Mexico, Phillipines, etc.
-1 SD: 170.8cm (~5'7) Bottom 16% of society
-2 SD: 163.2cm (~5'4) Bottom 2% of society
-3 SD: ~150cm (~5'0 and less) Effectively bottom 0% of society. In 100 out of 100 rooms you enter, you will probably be the shortest man every time. You probably have never met any guy shorter than you that doesn't have achondroplasia/dwarfism.
Remember to be careful using terms such as % of society when referring to your data. I believe your data is for men, which means it is not representative of society as women will have a different height distribution. Even at -3 SD or below there will still be quite a few women below that, simply as a consequence of statistics.
I believe thinking of things in terms of normal distribution and standard deviations can add some objectivity to our feelings of height neurosis however. I believe psychologists will always argue that LL is a consequence of body dysmorphic disorder. Which is an interesting debate. Is height neurosis actually always body dysmorphic disorder or is it a legitimate rational feeling past a certain SD?
I guess a psychologist would argue that there are lots of men at -2 SD and below -3 SD that do not do LL, are married and as a consequence; it is invalid to use a normal distribution to argue in favor of LL and height neurosis being rational.
On other hand we know from this data along with objective statistical data that men at -2 SD and -3 SD or below are at a severe objective disadvantage when it comes to attracting a partner. So is it not logical to feel bad about your body and want to change it?
This would however require admitting that there is a giant, serious discrimination against short men in society, on the same level of severity as racism, which is not a pleasant realization for normal people to admit.
Alternatively however, we cannot ignore the argument that there are lots of men who do not feel height neurosis even at -2 SD or -3 SD. So it is not a given that you will feel it. It is also not impossible to enter a successful relationship with a woman you love.
Therefore, are we that browse this forum and consider LL subjective to a certain personality trait that makes us more vulnerable to body dysmorphic disorder? Or is it simply a rational and logical objective feeling to consider LL in order to improve our probability of satisfying a woman we fall in love with. I think it is a fascinating and important debate to think about. Personally, I don't think any therapy session can fix height neurosis at about -2 SD or below. It is perhaps the most basic, primitive feeling a life force can feel, our size compared to the size of others. Still, a lot of men at - 2 SD and - 3 SD do not seemed bothered by height neruosis, so perhaps it is the personality trait that causes me to be prone to body dysmorphic disorder that makes me blind to reality.
What makes this more complicated is that while actual heights follows a Gaussian distribution, women don't view male height in this way.
-Possibility 1: Short men are literally invisible to women and they can only picture taller men in their heads when asked about average height. This view of male height follows a normal distribution with a mean much higher than the actual average.
-Possibility 2: Women do notice short men but underestimate how many there are because they are thinking about taller men most of the time. This view of male height follows the Pareto distribution with a large majority of men falling "below average" in height.
Both possibilities can produce the "6' minimum or single" girls.
Quote from: increase on May 02, 2021, 04:47:53 PMi am 3
I hope you don't mind me asking ...Are you still growing? What is the reason? Is it genetics? My daughter is only 4'7 due to precocious puberty.
i am 1. and yeah im pretty confident but tahts because im smart and im quiet good looking.
so at least i got blessed with intelligence and have a career going for me.
else i would probably rope ^^ imagine being short and have nothing going for you in life jeez 
About 7cm (3 inches).
If 5.10 is the average height, less than 5.7 is short and more than 6.1 is tall.
If someone is very strict maybe 2 inches (5cm) but I strongly believe that up to 3 inches more or less is considered as average.
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