Quote from: palm_trees on October 20, 2023, 03:46:47 AMLet's just disregard the women / dating aspects to wanting to get LL done as a short man in a society that makes it extremely challenging for short men to try and succeed in. Many average height and tall dudes love to larp that "its all about confidence", and "As a 6'1 guy I can tell you that being tall isn't all that..."
Look at this random scientific study, its quite brutal.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1570677X11001523
Using an Italian survey, we investigate the effect of height on individual happiness. We find that a large part of the effect of height on well-being is driven by a positive correlation between height and economic and health conditions. However, for young men the effect of height on happiness persists even after controlling for these variables, implying that height is associated with some psycho-social direct effects on well-being. Consistent with this hypothesis, we find that men care not only about their own height but also about the height of others in their reference group. Well-being is greater for individuals who are taller than other men in their reference group. Results are robust to different definitions of reference group and controlling for a number of other reference group characteristics.
Highlights
>We investigate the association between height and individual subjective well-being in Italy.
>We find that height is positively associated with the well-being of 18-42 years old males.
>We find a relative height effect for young males.
>These results possibly suggest a self-esteem or social dominance effect of height on well-being.
Once you start reading beyond the abstract it gets so much worse:
>Being tall is associated with a number of advantages. Tall people (excluding the extremely tall) are more likely to have a long term partner and to have children (Nettle, 2002a, Nettle, 2002b); they attain higher levels of education (Magnusson et al., 2006) and receive higher wages than shorter people, even after controlling for the level of education acquired, the type of job performed (Persico et al., 2004, Herpin, 2005, Heineck, 2006, Case and Paxson, 2008, Hubler, 2009, Cinnirella et al., 2011) and irrespective of the physical strenuousness of the job (Bockerman et al., 2010). In addition, they have more chance of playing sports at a professional level or becoming supermodels (Saint Onge et al., 2008).1 Height seems to have a strong inverse association with suicide risk (Magnusson et al., 2005) and it is also positively associated with life expectancy (Koch, 2011). All these findings together seem to indicate that there is more chance of tall people enjoying a better life. This is confirmed by some empirical papers that find a positive correlation between height and subjective well-being (Keyes, 1980, Cohen, 2009, Rees et al., 2009, Deaton and Arora, 2009, Denny, 2010). As height is also associated with some costs, for example expenses for special clothes, high ceiling homes, the relationship between height and well-being is probably an inverse U.
Many larps online say you don't need LL as a short man, and to "just be confident bro", as if heightism was only relevant in the world of dating. The unfortunate truth is being a very short man is playing life on ultra hard mode, everything you do, everything you want in life, your height overshadows you and permeates it all. Many will say we are simply insecure for wanting this surgery and to just compensate on other aspects to get more women. The honest truth is heightism goes far beyond that, as I'm sure many of us can attest to. In my opinion, this is potentially the truly life changing, game changing, transformation that can benefit in every aspect of life especially if they are in the very short 5'4 - 5'6 category.
I completely agree with you, and those studies are very real. The distinction I'm trying to make is, yes we all want to be taller (no pun intended to Turkish butchers 
) to be able to date more girls, but this procedure isn't a game, nor a light cosmetic change, is a surgery where you are literally risking your life or get crippled, so I wouldn't advice anybody to undergo this extremely enduring procedure based solely on wanting to date girls.
Understand this; the reason you do this is for you, for your mental health, for you wanting to improve something you were not born with, to increase your overall confidence in life. But it's a painful challenge, a rough one so, keep in my mind yourself first.
