This forum has been a great resource and has answered many of my questions. I still have some to ask and since I can't make a thread on my own, I'll post my question in two other threads similar to hopefully get a faster response.
Some of my questions, such as my first one, make reference to the FAQ.
1. In the FAQ it says that most surgeons will not accept a patient above 175cm. I'm assuming there's a reason for this. Are complications more likely to ensue for a person above 175cm?
2. I'm currently 18 and stand at 5'7. 5 ft/171. 4 cm. I am not considering getting the surgery now, but sometime after my growth plates have fused completely. I expect that by the time I stop growing, I will be at 5'10 ft/178cm. My desired height is 6'3 ft/190. 5cm. I would need 13cm to reach this height from 5'10 ft. However in another thread as well as the FAQ it suggests that 12cm is the limit (albeit initially it said 5cm for cosmetic reasons, so I'm not sure if the same is for 12cm). Would 1cm above the limit be an issue?
3. I read a diary of a man who lengthened 7. 5cm/5'3inches to 5'9 feet. In the diary he states the surgery was successful with no complications, however he projects his athletic ability is capped at 80%. Is this likely to happen to people who go above the 5/6cm limit, or is it expected that people who stay within the limits will return to their normal height ability?
4. In the FAQ, it states that the bone can regenerate at a rate of 1mm per day, as well as up to 12cm in length to be added. A post I read on another LL forum says that lengthening more than 0.66cm will "destroy" the body. Can someone provide a counter, as well as some evidence that supports either or so I have a guide on which one is more accurate?
5. I've read that added height in the femur can slightly decompress the amount that was lengthened. Is this true? And if so, how much length is expected to be compromised?
6. In diaries I've read that in recovery they stay in a "house" with other patients. I also read that a particular diet is required for proper healing. Since patients are essentially living in the sapce while recovering, I assume that the costs of surgery not only cover the operation and the physical therapy, but as well as the diet? If not, what exactly is covered by the surgery and what else needs to be paid in order to recover best?
7. Do two surgeries (femur and tibia--not at the same time) pose a higher risk for complications? Since I'm likely to need both to reach my desired height.
8. Are there certain physical conditions that are not recommended to get this surgery? I have a weak patella in my right knee. According to a physical therapist I went to, it is something that's genetic and I will have to live with, although exercises can strengthen it to varying extents.
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Quote from: patientdad on February 11, 2016, 04:21:38 AMI agree, it would be ridiculous to get the operation if you were 5'10" - but, I think you are done growing at 18. You will never be 6'3", you will have to accept that. It is a very difficult procedure to go through.
Quote from: crimsontide on February 11, 2016, 04:15:16 AMyou need to see a psychiatrist, not a ll dr
5'10 and considering this surgery after all the bad diaries?
and 13 cm???
I haven't encountered a diary about that yet. I looked at diaries on another LL forum. Can someone link me to some? All the diaries I find are people well below my height (5'7.5ft).
I'm still curious as of why the operation is more dangerous for people at X height versus Y height.
And it's not a rare to continue to grow after you turn 18. Fused or not, I wouldn't have the surgery until my late 20s or even later perhaps.
Quote from: Alittletooshort on February 11, 2016, 02:55:48 PMNo one I know grew more than 1 or 2 cm´s after they´ve turned 18. 7cm´s is extremly unlikely, did you get your growth plates checked if they´re still that far open, or why do expect to become 178?If your growth plates are fused, you will not grow a single mm more. Period. I grew 2-3 more cm´s after my 16th birthday, so a growth spurt at the age of 18 is not realistic.
Forget 190, there is no way you can accieve without loosing your athletism completely. I honestly doubt that you will get any taller than 175, I woudn´t do more than 5cm´s in tota,l so you might end up at 178 after your lengthening.
Don´t exeed lengthening the bone by more than 15% of it´s original length. Inform yourself as good as possible before you decide to do that.
Let's not use anecdotal knowledge as evidence. Puberty for men can stop at the age of 25, so from the ages ~25 you have a chance of growing. You can use a quick Google search to affirm this specifically with height as well, albeit it is more common to stop growing at 18. The only way I'll know is to check if my growth plates are fused, so let's put this bit to rest.
And I'm obviously trying to inform myself. It feels a bit patronising to be told how "serious" this surgery and be lectured on details such as proportions as if I don't know anything about it already. Even in the most idealistic situation I wouldn't get this surgery until I was in my late 20s, so I have lots of time to do loads more research in the upcoming years. I'm asking now so I know if this is something that I have to work towards as I age (since I read the body is in extreme stress in recovery, I'd do my best to become as physically fit as possible for a few years in prep for the surgery so my body will get used to the stress, which I read makes the recovery go more smoothly and faster).
All I want is those questions answered, nothing more.
Quote from: theophilo on February 11, 2016, 06:35:59 PM
all body are not the same
some guy have short legs for a large bust
Thank you.
Let me worry about myself.
Also I'm still very curious as to why doctors do not recommend the surgery for people at or above 175cm. Other posters have implied mild complications, which doesn't make much sense to me. This would imply that people over a certain height that receive leg fractures are more prone to permanent injuries than people at <175cm, which seems like a silly notion since the bone doesn't become more "accident-prone" as you pass the threshold of a certain height. There must be some other factor involved.
Quote from: PatientZero on February 12, 2016, 03:11:20 AM-If you want all your questions answered, you're asking the wrong people. No one in this thread is an LL doctor and most of the members have not done LL, and are no more than armchair experts.
-You've asked a ton of lazy questions, go read more diaries and seek consultations if you are serious. You'd be stupid to listen to a bunch of internet strangers like me.
-Your estimates of gaining another 3 inches to be 5'10 by the time you're 25 is mostly wishful thinking. Please do report back in 7 years and let us know, or go check if your growth plates are closed so we can end this joke. I am aware that people can grow until their 20s, but probably not you and not the amount you want. The statistics are simply against you.
-If you somehow naturally reach 5'10" and still want to do this surgery to become 6'3", I think you are seriously fked in the head and should seek psychological help. I say this because I received 4 years of psychiatric treatment myself and can endorse it. In fact, do seek help now.
- I'm on an LL forum, which attracts people who are knowledgeable about the procedure. The bulk sum-near all-of my questions do not require someone to personally have gone through the surgery.
- If my questions are lazy, so is this wit you're trying your best to showcase. I also didn't ask for anyone's opinion about my desire for the surgery, especially ones that are pretty shallow in expression. Criticism is fine when needed, but my questions don't warrant any personal input, especially snide remarks. Either be constructive and civil or piss off.
Quote from: PatientZero on February 12, 2016, 03:07:12 PMYou're on an LL forum that attracts depressed short people who are not LL doctors. Your questions require more reading and consultations with several doctors. You seem to have missed the concept of an armchair expert.
No one here has bothered to completely answer your list of questions because you're lazy.
Please don't insult my intelligence, especially with your stuffy and pompous writing. For a guy who's exerting way too much effort to sound educated, you pretty much begged people to sh1t on your post with your ridiculous expectations. You're the guy thats going to magically gain 3 inches from 18-25. Cool story.
I'm about the only person in this thread so far who has done LL and gave you some valuable real world advice. You should take it in strides, like the one where you should see a psychiatrist. Tell me thats not a good idea, for a 25 year old 5'10 person to talk with someone about how their life is miserable because they're average height.
If your idea of being constructive and civil is people blindly agreeing and babying you, you're in the wrong forum. Stop being a joker and handle the truth.
The entire purpose of an LL forum is to be a source pool of information and discussion about the procedure. The posters aren't LL doctors but I've gotten rather good information from LL forums about the procedure which has changed my initial impressions on it. Although it's obvious a forum will not substitute information from a doctor. I figured since these questions come from information I found on LL forums, it would be best to ask users about them. So you may consider the LL forums to be worthless/not useful, but I don't. And I think it's pretty easy to distinguish someone who's giving serious information versus some depressed slob posting drivel. Most obvious sign is diction and their grammar.
No one's insulting your intelligence. I was referring to your corny attempts at a "jab" towards my making this thread for god knows what. And funny, you want to talk about "babying" things down when you consider my diction to be pompous is hilarious. What I wrote most certainly wasn't something that should be seen as grandiose or "educated". I'd say your notion right there is more of an insult to your intelligence than anything I've done. But I digress:
I'm not saying you didn't give good advice. However on the height bit, I'm not ruling anything out until I'm certain that my growth plates have fused. It's scientifically documented that puberty for males can go up until the age of 25, so there is a possibility--and it's not necessarily a rarity either--that I can continue to grow. I know people who have grown after age 18. For example, I had a teacher who said that he was around my height until he went to college. Then he grew suddenly. Similar for an uncle I have, who is 6'2. Arguing about it is a game of devil's proof since no one, including myself, really knows yet, so it's pointless to keep at it, which is why I didn't respond to it in my last bit. You can have fun yelling at clouds but I'm done talking about this part.
What I don't like, however, is your hardass approach when talking to me. I don't expect, nor need to have anyone give me any support or agree with any of my expectations. Other than this height bit, I haven't really squabbled with anyone, including you, over anything that was disputed about my expectations for this surgery. The fact is however that I wanted my questions answered, which all aren't centered around what that. And advice or not, I'm not going to take kindly to someone who's acting like a perverse sh it when talking to me. You don't need be doting, or "proper" or "educated" when giving someone advice, but don't be a bitch when doing it. People take note of how you talk to them. Like it or not, people have different levels of respect and causality that they give and expect to receive. You're not obligated to fulfill those needs though, but don't expect me to just roll over and lie and act like it's not a problem.
Anyway, this thread has milked as much information as it's going to get and serves me no purpose anymore. This will be my last response. Hopefully a mod will close this since it's pointless to keep it open anymore.
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