UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016

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Quote from: Unicorn888 on April 19, 2018, 11:28:11 AMHi Body Bulider,

I understand Precice 3 came out?  Magnetic lengthening + fully weight bearing?  Do you know?  That would change the lives and quality of leg lengthenings a lot.
Yes Unicorn, Stryde (precise 3) will be out in a few months worldwide and has all the features of precise 2 olus it is fully weightbearing.
This nail changes completely the rules of LL and put the dangerous Guichet and his crappy nail completely out of game.

As for the other things you said, I knew them very well but its good to write them for some naive future LLers who still think that Guichet, the worst internal LL doctor out there, is a good option.

Anyway, I hooe that bone graft will work but I doubt it because your gap is too big.
But don't lose your faith. Stryde will almost for sure fix your problem while you could walk unaided at the same time, so if doctors insist on grafts and all these bs the best you can do is to find 20-25k euros and go to another doctor to implant you a stryde on your non aligned leg and then everything will be fixed with patience and time.

Keep strong!

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Quote from: Body Builder on April 19, 2018, 12:33:58 PM
As for the other things you said, I knew them very well but its good to write them for some naive future LLers who still think that Guichet, the worst internal LL doctor out there, is a good option.


Honestly BodyBuilder, you need to take a seat. While there is absolutely no question that Unicorn has gone through absolute hell (and is still not out of the woods), and while there is also no question that Guichet is quite arrogant and disorganized (and definitely could have been much more understanding with Unicorn and her extremely unfortunate situation) - I still don't think he is the "worst LL doctor." He has had plenty of patients with great results.

Of course, people will accuse me of defending him because I had a mostly good result with him. And I'll concede that maybe that's part of it. But having had LL with him myself, I won't dispute that he has a terrible bedside manner and is very disorganized. However, I don't think he's "evil" as you make him out to be. While I do agree that the pre-training is unnecessary, he actually helped me get like 70% of that back from insurance (trust me, he didn't have to help me with that). I do think he's a good surgeon and generally means well, but maybe he's very hit or miss as far as if he likes you or not (and this I agree is unfair).

As Unicorn herself said, young men are the best candidates for this. Honestly, no woman over 5ft really needs LL. Yes, women have the right to do what they want with their bodies and yes they may face some discrimination in the workplace, but it's merely a drop in the bucket compared to what short men (men under about 5'8") have to endure. So, FOR THE MOST PART, WOMEN DO NOT NEED LL. We have seen that women have a harder time with this, but they simply don't need it the way short men do!

And also, what we are experiencing here is confirmation bias. Dr. Paley has had complications too (Big D almost died due to a blood clot I believe, but I think he ended up just fine and with a great result). I have also heard that Dr. Paley doesn't have much of a bedside manner himself. I'm sure there have been patients from some of the "perfect" doctors that have had complications, but maybe those doctors handled them better and/or we never heard about them because the patients just don't post on here. Unicorn has of course (and understandably!) been very vocal about what she's gone through, so it's easy to point fingers at Dr. Guichet. And yes, I know another patient recently had their nail break with Dr. G. Now that Precice 3 is out or almost out (not sure, haven't been following), the Gnail will be all but entirely obsolete, so Dr. Guichet will really only be a good option for people living near where he operates anyway.

Also, who's to say that Unicorn or another female of her age might not have had similarly bad complications with another doctor? She's a female and over the prime age for even men to do this! Yes, there is no question that she's been treated horribly, and my heart absolutely goes out to her. I just don't think your incessant onslaught against Dr. Guichet is completely warranted, as this could have been any other doctor. I don't mean to defend him so much as caution others that if you're not a prime candidate for LL (a young, fit male), you might have complications. Hell, even IF you're a prime candidate (young male), you might still have terrible complications! I did this in my young 30s and was in amazing shape, and it wasn't an easy road (still get right knee pain from time to time). And ProgramDude had this with Paley in his young 20s, after having his rods removed by Dr. Rozbruch (both "perfect" doctors as you describe), one of his femurs snapped in half and he was walking around, and he had to have a rod put back in.

This sh*t is risky no matter what and people need to realize that.

Unicorn, sorry for hijacking your diary again. I'm just tired of BodyBuilder's know-it-all schtick and blaming it all on just one doctor. I know you've been through the ringer, and my heart continues to go out to you

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Really, quit this nonsense of women do not needing LL. Women over 5'4 do not need LL, but being 5'1 is still way too small, even for a woman. The fact that short men face more discriminations, doesn't mean short women have it easy. Surely, short women do not have dating problems, but the tendency of treating short paople, regardless of sex, as children, it is very strong and source of great pain. Most males here, are doing LL, simply to improve the chance of getting a relation. Some good tip: if you want women to like you, do not try to mansplain them what they need.

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Quote from: Annalisa on April 19, 2018, 04:35:21 PMReally, quit this nonsense of women do not needing LL. Women over 5'4 do not need LL, but being 5'1 is still way too small, even for a woman. The fact that short men face more discriminations, doesn't mean short women have it easy. Surely, short women do not have dating problems, but the tendency of treating short paople, regardless of sxx, as children, it is very strong and source of great pain. Most males here, are doing LL, simply to improve the chance of getting a relation. Some good tip: if you want women to like you, do not try to mansplain them what they need.

I'm not going to engage with you on this. We just have two very different perspectives, but no matter what you say, at the end of the day, a woman's height MOST of the time is not going to hurt her career. I work in an extremely competitive field and know many women around 5ft flat who have very high power jobs and you never hear anything about their height. Of course, these are just anecdotal stories. You're entitled to your opinion.

Short men often have their manhood taken away from them. I can tell you there is no worse feeling than that. As a short woman, yes, you may get some jabs here and there and it MAY have a slight effect on your career, but these are rare occurrences and your womanhood won't be taken away or questioned.

What I was trying to convey is that the (apparently) increased risk of doing LL as a woman isn't as worth it, because you won't get as many benefits on average as men to offset the increased risks.

That's all I have to say on this. Don't want to start a war with you or anyone else. This is Unicorn's diary, and everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But I think most people would agree with me on this. Short women simply do not need this as much as men do (with some rare exceptions), period.

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Yellowspike, Guichet is the worst internal LL doctor out there because he has almost the price of Paley with a cheap an obsolete nail and mainly bad ethics and manners which put his patient on risk and lead to poor results.
No other doctor in the world put his patients in exhausting work out before LL which not only offers any benefit but makes LL even harder. And of course, the pt he follows is very risky and torture his patients.

For all these reasons Yellowspike and regardless of what you say about me, Guichet is the worst case of doctor someone could find.
Having some good results after so many patients means nothing to me. Even Mirzoyan and Sarin had some good results and with 1/4 of the money this madman wants.

In a few words, Guichet is veey expensive with a  ty nail and the methods he uses are against a safe and good result.
So imo Guichet, for internals, is for sure the worst case out there.

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Quote from: Body Builder on April 19, 2018, 04:52:32 PMYellowspike, Guichet is the worst internal LL doctor out there because he has almost the price of Paley with a cheap an obsolete nail and mainly bad ethics and manners which put his patient on risk and lead to poor results.
No other doctor in the world put his patients in exhausting work out before LL which not only offers any benefit but makes LL even harder. And of course, the pt he follows is very risky and torture his patients.

For all these reasons Yellowspike and regardless of what you say about me, Guichet is the worst case of doctor someone could find.
Having some good results after so many patients means nothing to me. Even Mirzoyan and Sarin had some good results and with 1/4 of the money this madman wants.

In a few words, Guichet is veey expensive with a  ty nail and the methods he uses are against a safe and good result.
So imo Guichet, for internals, is for sure the worst case out there.

I agree that for you get for the price, he's not a good option. He's really only a good option for those living in any of the countries he operates in. If I could do things over, I'd probably have gone to Rozbruch, although Guichet was considerably cheaper and I got a good result.

Don't wanna fight with you buddy. We short/formerly short men have to stick together. Peace brotha

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Quote from: Annalisa on April 19, 2018, 04:35:21 PMWomen over 5'4 do not need LL, but being 5'1 is still way too small, even for a woman.

Personal anecdote. Everyone has their own height thresholds in their minds. It all depends on where they live and their culture, etc.

Quote from: Annalisa on April 19, 2018, 04:35:21 PMThe fact that short men face more discriminations, doesn't mean short women have it easy. Surely, short women do not have dating problems, but the tendency of treating short paople, regardless of sxx, as children, it is very strong and source of great pain.

I agree with this and CLL should be a personal decision after one understands all the risks, and possible complications and consequences that may arise from it.

Which leads to my next point...

Guichet himself posted in this very forum that "small diameter brittle bones in some asiatic type patients" "heal slowly". Some of the things posted here may sound offensive, but is absolutely important to try and assess any increased risks for certain groups of patients in an extremely invasive and controversial procedure such as CLL. The people who tend to have smaller diameter bones tend to be female, asian, or a combination of both. The Kurgan Ilizarov center (essentially the birthplace of LL) doesn't take patients over 40 - possibly because of brittler bones and slower healing in older age. Paley doesn't accept any smoker because he sees them as too much of a risk group. All risks should be properly investigated, analyzed, and assessed, no matter how offensive they might sound to those groups involved. This is so everyone can make truly informed decisions, no matter if man or woman, about their lives and their decision to do CLL.

I'm sorry for the off-topic post in your diary, Unicorn. Still wishing you all the best.

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Quote from: Annalisa on April 19, 2018, 04:35:21 PMReally, quit this nonsense of women do not needing LL. Women over 5'4 do not need LL, but being 5'1 is still way too small, even for a woman. The fact that short men face more discriminations, doesn't mean short women have it easy. Surely, short women do not have dating problems, but the tendency of treating short paople, regardless of sxx, as children, it is very strong and source of great pain. Most males here, are doing LL, simply to improve the chance of getting a relation. Some good tip: if you want women to like you, do not try to mansplain them what they need.

I agree, especially since my 4'11" mom has confided in me about her issues with short stature, and that's in a country with lower average height. We already have studies concluding that women don't get equal pay as men, imagine being short as well. In fact, women being shorter in general may be a large contributor for this pay gap, it's compounding discrimination on top of another.

And come on, it's cosmetic surgery. Who's to say you can and can't do something? Plenty of women have had CLL too, more often than not for correcting leg curvature.

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Quote from: myloginacct on April 19, 2018, 06:04:32 PMGuichet himself posted in this very forum that "small diameter brittle bones in some asiatic type patients" "heal slowly". Some of the things posted here may sound offensive, but is absolutely important to try and assess any increased risks for certain groups of patients in an extremely invasive and controversial procedure such as CLL. The people who tend to have smaller diameter bones tend to be female, asian, or a combination of both.

I agree with you and I wished our doctor had practiced some scruples in discouraging us from having the surgery, because we were over 40, women and asian.  Instead, we were approved even without all our pre-surgery test results reviewed, as long as we paid up.

And, since he is of the opinion that women and asiatic types tend to have smaller diameter brittle bones, why jam a 13mm MALE nail into us?  This is the root cause of the endless suffering of non-union, fractures and nail breakage.  Basically, our femurs are over reamed, cortices too thin and there are no live cells remaining for normal callus growth.  Not that this is destructive enough, let's add overly fast lengthening schedule, and there you have it, recipe for disaster.

So yes, our doctor could be a great surgeon, but truly lacking in morals.

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Quote from: Unicorn888 on February 06, 2018, 11:47:46 AMHi Aditya,

I went to Guichet because I read the diaries and they were all SO SUCCESSFUL, EASY and FAST (Leechlet, ShyShy etc), and it was in London where I could be at home (which was important for me).

I had spent more than £155k on recovery

I'm starting my CLL journey, and I like you followed Leechlet and have Guichet in mind because location (London). In retrospect was having it done locally an advantage, or would you say you might as well have been overseas because of being indoors so much?

Quote from: YellowSpike on March 08, 2018, 08:07:40 PMI also know that "certain doctors" have switched/operate in multiple countries, and it always seemed odd to me.

I always thought it was because the market in France and Italy is much smaller compared to London (European capital of rich short guys).

Quote from: Body Builder on January 29, 2018, 08:41:51 PMOnly a moron would go to Guichet. He is mayve the worst case of LL doctor out there.

Let's not get carried away. He still is probably one of the 'better' doctors out there. I think the problem is by keeping Gnail to himself there is far less R&D, that's the main reason that's putting me off from going to Guichet.

Quote from: YellowSpike on January 31, 2018, 11:36:28 PMI don't think Guichet is a bad surgeon at all. But I think he can definitely be a callous jerk. I had a good result, and I know MANY others who had as well.

But in re-thinking things, since I had the money to even go to Guichet...or for anyone who has the money to...maybe it's best to go to Rozbruch?

Do you think that if you went to Rozbruch you might have said the opposite about Guichet? Grass isn't always greener