Dr Betz Complications! Nail/Screws Break and Require More Money and Surgery

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Quote from: tallerbetter on March 15, 2015, 03:00:08 PMWe should fight against unethic doctors from this forum for preventing future patients from being crippled and disabled. Don't trust Saarin, dont't trust Mongeal, don't trust Betz... A lot of promotion and no good care.

I'm sure it's not that simple.  We can't start to defame doctors without solid evidence.  The best we can do is educate ourselves based on multiple unbiased sources and think logically.  No one is perfect, but taking responsibility for your involvement in a less favorable situation shows a enormous amount of character and integrity.  I know this because my business is successful because I always take care of my clients, even if I end up taking a loss occasionally.

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Quote from: tallerbetter on March 15, 2015, 03:00:08 PMWe should fight against unethic doctors from this forum for preventing future patients from being crippled and disabled. Don't trust Saarin, dont't trust Mongeal, don't trust Betz... A lot of promotion and no good care.

What Dr Monegal did that you r dragging him in the likes of Sarin or Betz? seriously stop smearing someone name out of nothing...

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I wonder if the reason for some more complaining about betz is that He has Lot more patients than eg guichet.

Actually i See no real Problem with betz beside his damn recommendation to do 8cm.

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Quote from: coppkillr on March 17, 2015, 04:52:05 AMI wonder if the reason for some more complaining about betz is that He has Lot more patients than eg guichet.

Actually i See no real Problem with betz beside his damn recommendation to do 8cm.

This is what I see: 
-many reports of broken or bent nails
-delayed consolidation due to unstable(wobbly nail)
-consolidation drastically improves once nail is replaced with titanium nail
-delayed consolidation leads to the nail having to carry the weight of the patient for a lot longer than expected
-encouraging longer lengthening increases the chances of complications, longer recovery times, longer physiotherapy

If your doctor wants to encourage you to lengthen more, then he should also share some of the costs of the complications.  If this were the case, I'm sure he wouldn't be suggesting people to go beyond 8 cm.  I'm sure there are patients that are thankful for doctors that let them do whatever they want and not interfere.  What bothers a lot of us here is that some impulsive people are given a false sense of security and encouragement from a doctor, who is supposed to be an authority figure on the subject of LL.

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Thx. The question is if betz is still a good choice. Beside Paley and guichet there are no alternatives.

I dont want to go for Paley as i am living in Europe. Guichet seems for me not so good as i saw some strange diaries about him. Most successful stories are with betz as obg, hanna, etc.

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I'm  old (patient) and trainer of patient of doctor Guichet 2003 2004 2005

every probleme is not doctor  is patient

1/  patient no training every day
2/patient no strech exercise
3/patient no good food during lingtheneing and after
4/patient abuse of pain killer
5/patient stupid 2 month after use trampoline or  jumb (very good for break  nail)

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Quote from: coppkillr on March 17, 2015, 07:48:56 AMThx. The question is if betz is still a good choice. Beside Paley and guichet there are no alternatives.

I dont want to go for Paley as i am living in Europe. Guichet seems for me not so good as i saw some strange diaries about him. Most successful stories are with betz as obg, hanna, etc.

You are right, we only have a handful of doctors to choose from worldwide.  I can't vouch for any doctor since I never did LL, all I can do is read people's experiences and go from there.  I read those diaries that seem like success stories too; but pay attention to the little things, there are small clues in the words of the patient that paint a different picture.  Luckily in the end they come out of LL fine. 
What I don't like the idea of people having to make such an important decision based on money and convenience.  I used to think that way too, and now I will keep learning as much as I can about LL up until my surgery day.  We are all on this side of the fence and helps if we try and look out for each other, even if by doing so we end up driving the price of LL beyond a realistic figure.

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Quote from: Christopherbulder on March 17, 2015, 09:55:22 AMI'm  old (patient) and trainer of patient of doctor Guichet 2003 2004 2005

every probleme is not doctor  is patient

1/  patient no training every day
2/patient no strech exercise
3/patient no good food during lingtheneing and after
4/patient abuse of pain killer
5/patient stupid 2 month after use trampoline or  jumb (very good for break  nail)

I saw a lot of the same things in China.  Even with Guichet's rigorous screening process, some problem patients get through.  Now imagine what might happen with doctors like Betz and Xia who'll seemingly take anyone.  I doubt that all these claims against Betz are his fault.  I'd have gone to him if I could've afforded his fees.

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Quote from: musicmaker on March 17, 2015, 08:26:45 AMThese people are always talking crap without reason. Dr. Monegal is the best.

It in our nature to get upset and overreact, find someone responsible etc.  It's unfortunate that some innocent people get caught up in the middle of it.

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Quote from: tallerbetter on March 15, 2015, 03:00:08 PMWe should fight against unethic doctors from this forum for preventing future patients from being crippled and disabled. Don't trust Saarin, dont't trust Mongeal, don't trust Betz... A lot of promotion and no good care.

I agree bro.These doctors ain't no good. Many people agree