I feel like this forum is run by Mangal Parihar? or am i being paranoid?

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the more i look into this forums history, the more "mangal parihar" pops up.

2 of the Mods on this forum are actively promoting mangal parihar tbh and who knows how many more undiscovered others are also promoting mangal...

I have seen Mangal Parihar's video on tibial lengthening, he just asks his assistant to THRUST IT IN... wtf?!? this guy claims to be trained by Paley? Paley slowly puts it in and then gently hammers it in bit by bit, carefully and risk free ...

and mangal parihar's hospital is a rubble ... it's in the middle of nowhere and looks like an old 1800s type hospital.

I am surprised at how some of you guys are not seeing this...

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Well me and Kilo had a good result at his hands, so why not say good things about him? Any other Indian doctor would've crippled me.

I've been honest about the long time it took me to recover and everything. Also posted my x-rays and people have criticised him for his osteotomies. He's not a quack and is upfront and honest unlike a lot of posts I've read about other doctors. Edit: oh and I agree about his hospital not being like ones you'd find in US. I wrote in my diary too that it looks like it could be a set for the next Grave Encounters. The operation theatre is state of the art though.

As for your PM asking how I became a mod, the forum voted and made me one. Are mods not allowed to favour doctors? Am I expected to say Sringari and Parihar are equal?

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Quote from: Penguinn on June 04, 2018, 03:25:55 PMWell me and Kilo had a good result at his hands, so why not say good things about him? Any other Indian doctor would've crippled me.

I've been honest about the long time it took me to recover and everything. Also posted my x-rays and people have criticised him for his osteotomies. He's not a quack and is upfront and honest unlike a lot of posts I've read about other doctors. Edit: oh and I agree about his hospital not being like ones you'd find in US. I wrote in my diary too that it looks like it could be a set for the next Grave Encounters. The operation theatre is state of the art though.

As for your PM asking how I became a mod, the forum voted and made me one. Are mods not allowed to favour doctors? Am I expected to say Sringari and Parihar are equal?

Penguin, weren't you skeptical of his expertise in internal lengthening?

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Quote from: Penguinn on June 04, 2018, 03:25:55 PMWell me and Kilo had a good result at his hands, so why not say good things about him? Any other Indian doctor would've crippled me.

I've been honest about the long time it took me to recover and everything. Also posted my x-rays and people have criticised him for his osteotomies. He's not a quack and is upfront and honest unlike a lot of posts I've read about other doctors. Edit: oh and I agree about his hospital not being like ones you'd find in US. I wrote in my diary too that it looks like it could be a set for the next Grave Encounters. The operation theatre is state of the art though.

As for your PM asking how I became a mod, the forum voted and made me one. Are mods not allowed to favour doctors? Am I expected to say Sringari and Parihar are equal?

can you show me if there is even 1% of proof that he is trained by Paley? after watching most of his LL videos and comparing them to Paley, this guy does it extremely different, the way they thrust in the rod... the way they suture the skin.... etc

as for your diary, i went as far as page 9 tbh, same goes for KiloKAHN, i skimmed through it. Both of your diaries just kinda screams "shill"

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skepticism is good. but why don't you post proofs of the difference in surgical techniques of dr paley and dr parihar that you claim?

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Quote from: fokid on June 04, 2018, 05:14:31 PMskepticism is good. but why don't you post proofs of the difference in surgical techniques of dr paley and dr parihar that you claim?

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look at this video, Mangal is performing a tibia lengthening using LON.
the way he thrusts in the rod at 5:10... are you honestly saying Dr. Paley will thrust the rods like that also? That is extremely risky to do!!
I don't have LON videos of Dr.Paley, only the precise ones which are performed delicately and with professionalism.


and as for the sutures done by Mangal...



This is a pic of @Penguinn 's legs
They're DEEP SET, it feels like some parts of the muscle has been cut out and then he performed the stitches on top of it.

I have compared this pic to @overrideyourgenetics leg pics who had his Limb lengthening done by Paley.
Override doesn't have deep set sutures.

https://www.instagram.com/overrideyourgenetics/    (can't embed)

Mangal is obviously doing everything wrong.
in fact Penguinn was his first ever patient for the Precise method lengthening and Mangal didn't even know about the nails weightbearing limit(WTF!?) and had to ask Paley via email AFTER performing the surgery... according to Penguinn's diary.


as for what his hospital looks like...
here we go

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Quote from: RaaX on June 04, 2018, 05:32:13 PM[video][/video]


look at this video, Mangal is performing a tibia lengthening using LON.
the way he thrusts in the rod at 5:10... are you honestly saying Dr. Paley will thrust the rods like that also? That is extremely risky to do that.
I don't have LON videos of Dr.Paley, only the precise ones which are performed delicately and with professionalism.


and as for the sutures done by Mangal...



This is a pic of @Penguinn 's legs
They're DEEP SET, it feels like some parts of the muscle has been cut out and then he performed the stitches on top of it.

I have compared this pic to @overridegenetics leg pics who had his Limb lengthening done by Paley.
Override doesn't have deep set sutures.

https://www.instagram.com/overrideyourgenetics/    (can't embed)

Mangal is obviously doing everything wrong.
in fact Penguinn was his first ever patient for the Precise method lengthening and Mangal didn't even know about the nails weightbearing limit(WTF!?) and had to ask Paley via email AFTER performing the surgery... according to Penguinn's diary.

Could you give me the link of the video of Paley doing PRECICE?

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Quote from: Bruce Wayne on June 04, 2018, 05:34:47 PMCould you give me the link of the video of Paley doing PRECICE?

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My bad, I thought this video was of Paley but instead it is of Rozbruch

but my point still remains. These 2 are considered the best and anyone trained under them should be near equals especially if they too have been performing lengthening surgeries for a long period of time but mangal apparently does not show this level of professionalism yet he is crowned over here at times which led me to believe this forum has got active shills.

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Quote from: RaaX on June 04, 2018, 02:55:48 PMthe more i look into this forums history, the more "mangal parihar" pops up.

2 of the Mods on this forum are actively promoting mangal parihar tbh and who knows how many more undiscovered others are also promoting mangal...

I have seen Mangal Parihar's video on tibial lengthening, he just asks his assistant to THRUST IT IN... wtf?!? this guy claims to be trained by Paley? Paley slowly puts it in and then gently hammers it in bit by bit, carefully and risk free ...

and mangal parihar's hospital is a rubble ... it's in the middle of nowhere and looks like an old 1800s type hospital.

I am surprised at how some of you guys are not seeing this...

I will give you my true and unbiased opinion here. Parihar is a surgeon I am considering (besides Xia/Lee, Solomin and Barinov). I also got the feeling that this site is a bit biased towards Parihar - though I don't think Parihar is a bad surgeon - and a bit unfairly biased against some like Sarin. That said - it is understandable since the mods like kilokahn have had satisfactory experience with Parihar. Yes - I did not like pics of Parihar's hospital (and I am from India myself) pics looked very bad - and I asked about it here and nobody responded - but, that said - in India outside looks of hospitals are overlooked by patients so I can't blame Parihar - if patients dont care about outside hospital looks and he gets business then he has no incentive to move to a nicer place. My biggest issue with Parihar is - his patients - though they had no major complications - recover very slow - slower than any other doctors's patients. But, I must say - based on  my interaction with Parihar's clinic - they are very very honest people and unlike many other doctors they dont run after money.

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You're being paranoid, Dr Parihar isn't affiliated with this forum. We used to have other mods that went to other doctors, one who had his surgery done at the facility in Beijing, one who went to Dr Birkholtz in SA, and one who went to Dr Paley, but they're no longer active and have moved on. 

Proof that Dr Parihar was trained by Dr Paley if you're not willing to look at Dr Parihar's own documentation is in Dr Paley's CV on page 7 where some of his research fellows are listed: http://www.lengthening.us/files/Dr__Paley__short__22_page_CV.pdf
"1/92-12/92 Mangal Parihar, MD; Bombay, India, Project: Geometry of Fracture Deformities"

You can't compare the technique for how an internal femur nail is inserted to how a tibial nail for LON is inserted, first step would be comparing the same limb and method.

The hospital was built by his father in the 70's IIRC. It could use updating on the exterior, but the OT is nicely kept and sterile, he's not performing surgery in a dirty room where you can get infections. And MDOW who had his surgery in Beijing said the rooms, especially the bathrooms, were equal to or better than the ones they had at the Beijing facility. Since you're only in the hospital for 7 to 10 days before moving on to a hotel, I don't see it as a big deal (but maybe that's just me).

As to the positive words spoken about him, it's just going to look like he gets extra praise that other doctors don't simply because he's the only surgeon in India who so far hasn't had any horror stories. If someone says "Don't do your surgery in India, all the doctors there will cripple you", I don't think it's unfair or promotion to say "Well that's not true for the whole country, I had a good experience with Dr Parihar."