Quote from: maxheight35 on October 18, 2022, 03:12:35 PMYeah that’s what I was saying earlier… with all the options out there, the Betz bone just felt like the best move overall. Seems like the best nail, great price, mobility, etc etc
Thanks!!!!
How much did you pay overall for internal tibias with betz bone? Roughly
Wonder how it compares to spending 6 months in Athens doing precise 2 tibias, not sure but I bet some people would be interested in comparing the two, I might try to make a chart comparing the two if I think I understand the differences enough at some point
seems like:
precise 2 in athens- cheaper? not sure, but no clicking and you can reverse lengthening if non union is a problem
Betz bone tibias in Germany- Need to spend 3 months only in Germany? not sure. have to do clicking. Wonder if there is anything else to know?
Thanks!!!
Some rough math:
https://www.betzinstitute.com/en/patients-info.html
LOWER LEG LENGTHENING
Bilateral lengthening
of both lower legs
€ 56,300
Lengthenings incl. 2 weeks of hospital stay
Two lengthening nails (price is valid for Betzbone; other nails are available upon request) operation on both sides, anesthesia, physiotherapy, medication and all postoperative adjustments and examinations
Boarding and lodging of companions is not included in the price, but it's possible for companion boarding and lodging to be arranged
ACCOMMODATION/BOARDING
Parkhotel Weiskirchen
Everything under one roof - that is the motto of the four-star deluxe "Parkhotel Weiskirchen
Elkes House (House Liborius)
The House Liborius offers boarding for guests who prefer the comfort of a hotel combined with the personal touch of a shared house. As a privately-held house, we offer both. Hotel service at a high level
https://www.athensbjr.com/cost-pricing-of-cosmetic-limb-lengthening/
So it seems like the main thing is to figure out the costs of the Germany hotels
Tibia lengthening with PRECISE-2 nails: 42400 Euro
56,300-42400 = 13900
ok so about a 14,000 Euro difference in price
and then have to take into account the living costs in Germany (3 months in Germany vs 6 months in Athens I assume? Not sure how long someone should stay in either case) and how important the reversibility of precise 2 matters
But I'm guessing so in total maybe Germany is about 25,000 euros more expensive for internal tibia than Athens? including living costs? I'm not sure how much more expensive Germany is than Athens
my goal is 6cm, I think that is the limit Dr. Giotikas recommends so I don't think I'll be going for 7cm tibias, just 6
I'm doing gnail for femurs right now, and I think that gnail doesn't work for tibias which confuses me (I have to think that dr. guichet's (unrelated) tibia patients in France must be using a clicking device so idk..). I'm aware that I mention 3 doctors in this post (two of which start w/ G) and that this is confusing/probably stupid on my part to do
Though I wonder if I'm already doing femur with Dr. Giotikas if its better for me to stick with him, I've heard some doctors are not willing to do rod removal for other doctor's patients
LL with Dr. Becker (successor of Betz) - Instagram Documentary
OP you are 160cm doing 10cm on tibias?! Paley and the other top docs recommend 5cm tibias and 8cm on femurs max. I get you have a really low start height but this seems like you are asking for long term problems.
Quote from: RealLostSoul on October 18, 2022, 05:12:28 AMhe walks without crutches 3-4 weeks post op. Even in public. Tibia is so much smoother than femur. I think that fact alone outweighs precice by a lot tbh. Weightbearing is extremely important.
(Also clicking on tibia is easy so i dont see any cons)
Do you speak from personal experience? How is tibia, "smoother?"
Quote from: leonazul99 on October 18, 2022, 08:38:07 PMDo you speak from personal experience? How is tibia, "smoother?"
Lol I would define less pain much less stretching required less meds more mobility (being able to walk without crutches many months sooner) as “smoother”. Plus never duckass hip swing or wide legs… The start and surgery is tougher for tibia but that’s about it. Yea I speak from empirical observations and experience.
Quote from: overandover on October 18, 2022, 12:12:39 PMAlready did my femurs so doing 2 inches in the tibia might mess up proportions that's why I only want to do 1 inch.
Proportions irl are very irrelevant except if you only do one segment for a large amount maybe. Man 2 inch femur no one can detect. No matter the starting ratio. I would not do tibia just for theoretical ratios. Tibia is a tougher surgery too so it‘s just unnecessary trauma. if you want extra height I think you can get 2 or 3 inches in tibia while looking good. Don‘t worry. If you want you can dm me a picture of your proportions or so and I can give you my opinion.
did you do Betz Tibias LL?
Overall I paid around 56k. Not including travel of course but even if you add all those other expenses it’s less than all other options.
I’m here for next 4 weeks and I think the first 2 weeks are included in the stay. And yeah man, can’t speak for others but so far my experience with Becker and his team are amazing. I met the patient emotional support lady; Tanja… and she’s a bright ball of positivity. Really needed this!
Quote from: SpeedDialer on October 18, 2022, 06:23:25 PMThanks!!!!
How much did you pay overall for internal tibias with betz bone? Roughly
Wonder how it compares to spending 6 months in Athens doing precise 2 tibias, not sure but I bet some people would be interested in comparing the two, I might try to make a chart comparing the two if I think I understand the differences enough at some point
seems like:
precise 2 in athens- cheaper? not sure, but no clicking and you can reverse lengthening if non union is a problem
Betz bone tibias in Germany- Need to spend 3 months only in Germany? not sure. have to do clicking. Wonder if there is anything else to know?
Thanks!!!
Some rough math:
https://www.betzinstitute.com/en/patients-info.html
LOWER LEG LENGTHENING
Bilateral lengthening
of both lower legs
€ 56,300
Lengthenings incl. 2 weeks of hospital stay
Two lengthening nails (price is valid for Betzbone; other nails are available upon request) operation on both sides, anesthesia, physiotherapy, medication and all postoperative adjustments and examinations
Boarding and lodging of companions is not included in the price, but it's possible for companion boarding and lodging to be arranged
ACCOMMODATION/BOARDING
Parkhotel Weiskirchen
Everything under one roof - that is the motto of the four-star deluxe "Parkhotel Weiskirchen
Elkes House (House Liborius)
The House Liborius offers boarding for guests who prefer the comfort of a hotel combined with the personal touch of a shared house. As a privately-held house, we offer both. Hotel service at a high level
https://www.athensbjr.com/cost-pricing-of-cosmetic-limb-lengthening/
So it seems like the main thing is to figure out the costs of the Germany hotels
Tibia lengthening with PRECISE-2 nails: 42400 Euro
56,300-42400 = 13900
ok so about a 14,000 Euro difference in price
and then have to take into account the living costs in Germany (3 months in Germany vs 6 months in Athens I assume? Not sure how long someone should stay in either case) and how important the reversibility of precise 2 matters
But I'm guessing so in total maybe Germany is about 25,000 euros more expensive for internal tibia than Athens? including living costs? I'm not sure how much more expensive Germany is than Athens
my goal is 6cm, I think that is the limit Dr. Giotikas recommends so I don't think I'll be going for 7cm tibias, just 6
I'm doing gnail for femurs right now, and I think that gnail doesn't work for tibias which confuses me (I have to think that dr. guichet's (unrelated) tibia patients in France must be using a clicking device so idk..). I'm aware that I mention 3 doctors in this post (two of which start w/ G) and that this is confusing/probably stupid on my part to do
Though I wonder if I'm already doing femur with Dr. Giotikas if its better for me to stick with him, I've heard some doctors are not willing to do rod removal for other doctor's patients
Hey man. Different doctors and their devices are completely different than what Betz / Becker are doing here.
I mean look what happened with the stride nail: recalled. And look, they had to go back in time and use the precise nail that’s not even fully weight barring.
As an American born and raised, I love my country and the people, but the doctors for this specific surgery just aren’t up to date with the technology.
Look at American made cars for an example and then compare them to the German made Mercedes Benz or the Porsche… just not comparable!
Quote from: 1team on October 18, 2022, 07:50:57 PMOP you are 160cm doing 10cm on tibias?! Paley and the other top docs recommend 5cm tibias and 8cm on femurs max. I get you have a really low start height but this seems like you are asking for long term problems.
Massive Update !!!
I left the hospital and checked into the clinic where I’ll be staying for the next 4 weeks and WOW!
Watch the video on my Instagram story. I also added it to the Week 2 story highlights.
More pics and videos of the clinic are coming as I start exploring.
great updates!
Quote from: maxheight35 on October 19, 2022, 04:56:58 PMAs an American born and raised, I love my country and the people, but the doctors for this specific surgery just aren’t up to date with the technology.
You mentioned you met with top doctors in the US. Can you share who did you meet and what's your impression vs Betz? I imagine they have their reasons for sticking with precise.
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