Quote from: maxheight35 on October 19, 2022, 04:51:25 PMOverall I paid around 56k. Not including travel of course but even if you add all those other expenses it’s less than all other options.
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That's really interesting, so it comes out to be cheaper with Betzbone tibias than with Precise 2 tibias in Athens?
Tibia lengthening with PRECISE-2 nails: 42400 Euro
56,300-42400 = 13900
So the surgery itself seems to be about 14k Euros more expensive for Betzbone tibias compared to precise 2 tibias in Athens
But then have to take into account the recovery time / hotel costs in Athens and I'm not sure how the math works out. The montaza handicap room in Athens is like 62 euros per day or something so I'd ballpark the total monthly costs in Athens to be like 2500 Euros per month at least when factoring in other costs. Probably realistically closer to 3000 Euros per month from other misc expenses (transportation and what not). I'm under the impression that for precise 2 tibias you might need like 6 months at least to walk
The other x factor I wonder about is that for betzbone tibias even if you can walk after just 1 month in some cases (?is that right? can walk in 1 month with betzbone tibias or am I mistaken?) if it is a good idea to still stay in Germany to (increases costs to) be closer to Dr. Becker in case something goes wrong, not sure, what do they recommend? I do know it maybe takes like 6 months or something for the bones to consolidate but I'm not sure if that should translate into staying in Germany longer
I do understand that the weight bearing nature of betzbone for tibia probably increases the quality of life alot and that can be hard to put a price on
However, I've also heard from a current precise 2 patient in Athens that if someone is light enough but have big enough bones to use the biggest precise 2 nail, they might end up falling within the weight limits anyway. I was able to get the 13mm nail (different kind of nail though) for my femurs, I sort of wonder if my tibias might also have a large enough diameter
I don't yet have a good sense for the recovery times, what is your impression of the living costs and recovery times for betzbone tibias vs other options you were considering?
ty!!!!!!
LL with Dr. Becker (successor of Betz) - Instagram Documentary
Thank you 
Quote from: ten on October 19, 2022, 06:58:50 PMgreat updates!
There’s not that many in the US, and without me naming names you can do a simple google search and you’ll see who’s available.
The reason they went back to precise is because the stride was recalled due to technical difficulties.
As stated in the original post, I never met Betz. My dealings have been strictly with Becker!
Quote from: hippo60 on October 19, 2022, 08:15:11 PMYou mentioned you met with top doctors in the US. Can you share who did you meet and what's your impression vs Betz? I imagine they have their reasons for sticking with precise.
But yeah man, Becker is a cool guy. Very straight forward and easy to talk to. I felt very comfortable with doing the surgery after meeting with him. And after surgery he’s came by everyday to check up on me and make sure I had everything I needed.
The after-surgery support so far has been great. I’m actually shocked with how much attention you receive after the fact. Makes you feel better emotionally which is VIP.
Quote from: maxheight35 on October 19, 2022, 10:42:18 PMThere’s not that many in the US, and without me naming names you can do a simple google search and you’ll see who’s available.
The reason they went back to precise is because the stride was recalled due to technical difficulties.
As stated in the original post, I never met Betz. My dealings have been strictly with Becker!
I feel like with this surgery you can’t just focus on price but also the quality of the nail. And even then doing the surgery here is more cost effective than most places. Plus the people are really cool as well. I’ve met some other patients here at the hotel / clinic and everyone is really happy with a strong positive mental attitude!
My advice is to schedule a meeting with Becker snd go visit with him and his team. Check out the hotel and physical therapy clinic. You’ll be surprised man!
Quote from: SpeedDialer on October 19, 2022, 08:17:56 PMty!!
That's really interesting, so it comes out to be cheaper with Betzbone tibias than with Precise 2 tibias in Athens?
Tibia lengthening with PRECISE-2 nails: 42400 Euro
56,300-42400 = 13900
So the surgery itself seems to be about 14k Euros more expensive for Betzbone tibias compared to precise 2 tibias in Athens
But then have to take into account the recovery time / hotel costs in Athens and I'm not sure how the math works out. The montaza handicap room in Athens is like 62 euros per day or something so I'd ballpark the total monthly costs in Athens to be like 2500 Euros per month at least when factoring in other costs. Probably realistically closer to 3000 Euros per month from other misc expenses (transportation and what not). I'm under the impression that for precise 2 tibias you might need like 6 months at least to walk
The other x factor I wonder about is that for betzbone tibias even if you can walk after just 1 month in some cases (?is that right? can walk in 1 month with betzbone tibias or am I mistaken?) if it is a good idea to still stay in Germany to (increases costs to) be closer to Dr. Becker in case something goes wrong, not sure, what do they recommend? I do know it maybe takes like 6 months or something for the bones to consolidate but I'm not sure if that should translate into staying in Germany longer
I do understand that the weight bearing nature of betzbone for tibia probably increases the quality of life alot and that can be hard to put a price on
However, I've also heard from a current precise 2 patient in Athens that if someone is light enough but have big enough bones to use the biggest precise 2 nail, they might end up falling within the weight limits anyway. I was able to get the 13mm nail (different kind of nail though) for my femurs, I sort of wonder if my tibias might also have a large enough diameter
I don't yet have a good sense for the recovery times, what is your impression of the living costs and recovery times for betzbone tibias vs other options you were considering?
ty!!!!!!
Does becker have a website? where can we find more infor about him like education and experience?
Quote from: ten on October 20, 2022, 02:49:01 AMDoes becker have a website? where can we find more infor about him like education and experience?
From my understanding, he is a plastic surgeon that had a hair transplant clinic. He was trained by Dr. Betz but he himself never formally completed an orthopedic residency program and did not do orthopedic surgeries until he began his tutelage with Betz. But I could be wrong. If I am right, in the US he wouldn’t be allowed to do these surgeries. He is very nice and attentive though and knows his medicine.
Quote from: leonazul99 on October 20, 2022, 03:30:41 AMFrom my understanding, he is a plastic surgeon that had a hair transplant clinic. He was trained by Dr. Betz but he himself never formally completed an orthopedic residency program and did not do orthopedic surgeries until he began his tutelage with Betz. But I could be wrong. If I am right, in the US he wouldn’t be allowed to do these surgeries.
are you serious bro
this did not concern you?
Quote from: leonazul99 on October 20, 2022, 03:30:41 AMFrom my understanding, he is a plastic surgeon that had a hair transplant clinic. He was trained by Dr. Betz but he himself never formally completed an orthopedic residency program and did not do orthopedic surgeries until he began his tutelage with Betz. But I could be wrong. If I am right, in the US he wouldn’t be allowed to do these surgeries. He is very nice and attentive though and knows his medicine.
lol I think is some turkish level shiittt.
Quote from: leonazul99 on October 20, 2022, 03:30:41 AMFrom my understanding, he is a plastic surgeon that had a hair transplant clinic. He was trained by Dr. Betz but he himself never formally completed an orthopedic residency program and did not do orthopedic surgeries until he began his tutelage with Betz. But I could be wrong. If I am right, in the US he wouldn’t be allowed to do these surgeries. He is very nice and attentive though and knows his medicine.
Sorry man but thats wrong. He is a qualified plastic surgeon + orthopedist and trauma surgeon and in addition he holds the German degree "Facharzt" in those two fields which means that he must have been practicing this expertise for at least 5-6 years in a clinic. I personally live in Germany and the combination of both expertise (plastic surgeon and orthopedist) are very rare. Here you go for his CV https://www.aerzte-am-alten-zollhof.de/dr-med-axel-becker
Therefore, I don´t think that he would not be allowed practicing in the USA...
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