Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022)

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Quote from: FileoFlex on May 05, 2023, 08:53:20 PMHey Stand Taller !
Congrats for your surgery ! Hope everything is ok. I would like to know what was your proportions before and after surgery please.
- height
- arm to body ratio
- tibia/femur ratio
- leg to body ratio

Thanks you so much. I am thinking of doing LL with betzinstitute.

Not sure about all the different ratios, maybe I can try to measure them all one day. But look at the photo further up with me and my physiotherapist. He is 180cm and I am 177cm, I think I look pretty normal next to him.

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Quote from: Kanye Western on May 06, 2023, 03:21:44 PMCongrats again ST!

Do you think it was worth it lengthening that much in the end if you’re still not back to normal?

Thanks!

Yes I absolutely do! I am getting better every day and I am almost back to normal walking at this point. Next for me is to start running.

Went out with a friend this Friday to this mini-golf bar. I told my friend that it is a fun place because usually you get so socialize with new people when you are waiting for your turn at the holes. So we walk in, go over to the bar where you also get clubs and balls for playing. There are these two girls standing in front of us in line, I notice in the corner of my eye the blond (the other was i brunette) staring at me. Then a few seconds later she says hi and start talking to us. We stand there for a few minutes talking and decide to play our rounds together. This blond keeps ogling me throughout the whole evening and gets more and more flirty, while I am just acting 100% chill and kind or nonchalant. Not really making any effort right.

Later that night we get separated, but before that she ads me on IG. On my way home I ad here back and message here "awake"?, she replies within a minute "jupp". I ask "where did you go"?, she replies "I went home, wanna come over"?

I think hard for a few minutes, because it is now like 03:00 in the morning I and not really wanting to wake up somewhere else that my own bed tomorrow morning, and I finally reply "on my way home in an taxi, but maybe another time" and she writes "too bad, so sad"

This is my third time going out since my surgery, and though three times out is not a very large sample size at all - I am now three for three where women are the ones taking the initiative to interact and talk to me - and this time even invite me over at 03:00. It is not like this hasn't happened to me before, but my experience for more than 25 years interacting with females is that 95/100 times I have to do all the work for any type of success.

Again, the sample size is only three - but the trend is very interesting and my better than I ever expected. Research does show ho important height is for women, but I never ever did expect things to be this day and night compared to pre-surgery.

So no, I have no regrets what so ever - and If this attention from women continues that1s gonna be a lot of fun. Anybody have similar experience post-surgery?

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Holy Crap MAN!!

Doing the surgery on late July with Dr. Becker. After I'm done with mine, tell me where you are, I wanna go out with you to get the gurls!!


Now seriously, I'm so happy for you man. It really take a lot of balls to actually do this  , let alone going for 11.5 cm successfully. I really think the bes thing about all of this is not only the heigh gain, but the bulletproof mind that comes with it. If you can do this, you can do anything.

Keep this diary up man!

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Quote from: Emoragar on May 07, 2023, 08:38:07 PMHoly Crap MAN!!

Doing the surgery on late July with Dr. Becker. After I'm done with mine, tell me where you are, I wanna go out with you to get the gurls!!


Now seriously, I'm so happy for you man. It really take a lot of balls to actually do this  , let alone going for 11.5 cm successfully. I really think the bes thing about all of this is not only the heigh gain, but the bulletproof mind that comes with it. If you can do this, you can do anything.

Keep this diary up man!

Congrats on deciding to do it! What's your starting height and goal? Sure, we can go out!

In all seriousness I feel there is a lack of people sharing their experience with women pre and post surgery. Though this may not be the main reason for people getting this surgery, I think for many it is very important. This is why I am trying my best to share those experiences and will continue to. I am also hoping that other people can share theirs as well. I searched the internet for pre and post stories on how becoming taller has affected peoples success with women and have found little on that subject. Just think about it, every one of us getting this surgery will have a unique experience on how women treat us as a short and a normal or tall person.

From the age of around 13-14 til I was past my mid 30s I have lived as a short man. I have more than two decades of experience and expectations on how to be treated and how successful or not I am with women. To go from that, to being normal height and "suddenly" being treated differently is imo extremely interesting. And I would love to hear about other pre and post surgery experiences.

Yeah, after going through this you do come out the other end with a stronger mind, will and outlook on life. This is the real definition of "no pain, no gain"

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My starting height is 172,5cm with a with an armspan of 178cm. My story is pretty similar to yours. I've never had any issue with women, get to flirt with them or having sex , as long as they are the same height as me. I'm in the medical field, and I guess I do well socio-economically which is even more important for women than height in my opinion. I'm fit and usually around 10% body fat.

Even though sometimes I felt awkward in social setting situations like weddings or clubs when women wear high heels, the last time I felt some kind of height dysphoria was a decade ago, and since I didn´t know there was a ''solution' to my problem, I just forget about and cancelled in my brain. But somehow, the YouTube algorithm showed my a video from Victor (Cyborg 4LIFE) and everything changed. Knowing that there was a solution to my height or lack of Height rather, I just cannot stand the idea of not being my best version of myself in that situation also. And after researching it a lot, I decided to go for it.

I live in the south of Europe, and in my country the average height for women is not high, probably around 162 cm and for men around 176, so being 180cm (+8cm) is the goal. If I feel good and Dr. Becker allows it, I would go to 9cm and for sure not going past 10cm. I will probably talk to Becker about the IT band release, and what he thinks about doing a partial release. I already set up everything (or tried to) to be successful in my journey, already stretching, yoga, not training legs at all... etc but it's going to suck, and I'm mentally prepared for it.

I would love if you can give us some more insight on how the everyday life is during lengthening (walking in your job, if you can use the stairs if you need it, driving etc.)

Thanks brother

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Quote from: Stand taller on May 07, 2023, 09:45:35 PMCongrats on deciding to do it! What's your starting height and goal? Sure, we can go out!

In all seriousness I feel there is a lack of people sharing their experience with women pre and post surgery. Though this may not be the main reason for people getting this surgery, I think for many it is very important. This is why I am trying my best to share those experiences and will continue to. I am also hoping that other people can share theirs as well. I searched the internet for pre and post stories on how becoming taller has affected peoples success with women and have found little on that subject. Just think about it, every one of us getting this surgery will have a unique experience on how women treat us as a short and a normal or tall person.

From the age of around 13-14 til I was past my mid 30s I have lived as a short man. I have more than two decades of experience and expectations on how to be treated and how successful or not I am with women. To go from that, to being normal height and "suddenly" being treated differently is imo extremely interesting. And I would love to hear about other pre and post surgery experiences.

Yeah, after going through this you do come out the other end with a stronger mind, will and outlook on life. This is the real definition of "no pain, no gain"

I actually believe dating is the nber 1 reason for most if not all male llers.. I dont inderstand why people are ashamed to admit that they believe (correctly or not) that their height hinders their dating life.

About post op dating life, from the legit diaries I have read, there was a massive improvent with people going from like around your height to 173+ while those going from 175 to 180+ reported modest are even no improvement

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Quote from: Emoragar on May 07, 2023, 10:50:06 PMMy starting height is 172,5cm with a with an armspan of 178cm. My story is pretty similar to yours. I've never had any issue with women, get to flirt with them or having sxx , as long as they are the same height as me. I'm in the medical field, and I guess I do well socio-economically which is even more important for women than height in my opinion. I'm fit and usually around 10% body fat.

Even though sometimes I felt awkward in social setting situations like weddings or clubs when women wear high heels, the last time I felt some kind of height dysphoria was a decade ago, and since I didn´t know there was a ''solution' to my problem, I just forget about and cancelled in my brain. But somehow, the YouTube algorithm showed my a video from Victor (Cyborg 4LIFE) and everything changed. Knowing that there was a solution to my height or lack of Height rather, I just cannot stand the idea of not being my best version of myself in that situation also. And after researching it a lot, I decided to go for it.

I live in the south of Europe, and in my country the average height for women is not high, probably around 162 cm and for men around 176, so being 180cm (+8cm) is the goal. If I feel good and Dr. Becker allows it, I would go to 9cm and for sure not going past 10cm. I will probably talk to Becker about the IT band release, and what he thinks about doing a partial release. I already set up everything (or tried to) to be successful in my journey, already stretching, yoga, not training legs at all... etc but it's going to suck, and I'm mentally prepared for it.

I would love if you can give us some more insight on how the everyday life is during lengthening (walking in your job, if you can use the stairs if you need it, driving etc.)

Thanks brother

Hit me up on a personal message once you're done reaching your new height and we can go out to bars!

I would say in my teens and into my early 20s I did pretty decent with women, but as I got older I felt things have gotten progressively harder. I have been in pretty much the same shape, and was actually in my best even shape in my lates 20s playing sports at a very high level. Imo opinion I thought also I had matured pretty good looking better in the face in my late 20s than I did in my early 20s. I would still get women as I got even older, but I my experience was that I would have to meet many more women to be able to "find" those I could attract. It would make a lot more sense if as I got older the quality of women got worse. If I was attracting 7s and 8s earlier, but now only attracting 5s and 6s. It wasn't like that though. I could still attract 7s and 8s, but they would just come around less often and it's not like I had better success with 5s or 6s either.

For me it was more like an ON / OFF switch. For every 7 or 8 being interested I would meet 30 7s or 8s who showed no interest. When in my teens I would it would be more like every 7 or 8 being interested I would meet 5 to 10 girls being 7s or 8s who showed no interest. My hypothesis is that younger girls and women aren't that sensitive to height, but as they and the men get older height becomes much more important. If you consider that men on average stop growing around age 21 - 23 that also makes a lot sense.

I have written extensively about my whole journey earlier in this diary. So go back and read it from the beginning for answers to your questions. What I wrote at the time will much more accurate than what I remember now.

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Quote from: informationispower on May 07, 2023, 11:07:11 PMI actually believe dating is the nber 1 reason for most if not all male llers.. I dont inderstand why people are ashamed to admit that they believe (correctly or not) that their height hinders their dating life.

About post op dating life, from the legit diaries I have read, there was a massive improvent with people going from like around your height to 173+ while those going from 175 to 180+ reported modest are even no improvement

Yeah, I also believe that many short men have a goal and dream of reaching a better height so they can be more successful with women. It's a pity that there aren't more people here who want to share their pre and post LLS experience regarding women, dating and attraction.

Makes sense what you are writing. There has been done a lot of research when it comes to height and dating. Once you hit around 177-178cm there is much no to little gain in attraction from height. I think 15/100 will reject men at 177-178cm because at height. At 183-187cm the number is 5/100. At 165cm that rejection number is a massive 85/100 !


Here is a video of me walking today. Not completely warmed up here, but still much better that at my PT. I have a slight limp in my left leg because of tight IT-band, and a little hop sway. But I think with clothes my walk really isn't noticeable unless somebody is looking for an off gait. I will try to film one outdoors with shoes and properly warmed up later this week or next.

https://files.fm/u/ky7pxw9sb

Video is still taken at lower angle, but not with a wide angles lens this time. With clothes I think proportions look normal.

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Seems like your right leg you have restrictions when bending you knee?

Have you tried to do more knee bending exercises?

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Day 490 (Day 332 Post clicking)

Five out of five... but more on that later...


Walking is getting better everyday, and I haven't worn the compression stockings for a few weeks now. Yesterday I walked 8km, which is by far a new record. Less stiffness and almost no duck ass once I stretch and walk for a bit. I'll try to film a new walking video next week. Next month will be my one year post clicking anniversary, so this has been a long ass process, but still worth every mm (as I will get to below).



I've been out twice since my last update, now for a total of five times post surgery. Go read about my last three times, for better context. But long story short, I got approached by at least one women each of those three times out. I have never experienced this three times in a row having gone out for almost two decades. So my fourth time, would challenge this new status quo. Not only would being approached four times in a row while going out be more than the past four years combined pre surgery, I was going out with my very attractive friend who is over 2 meters tall! We've probably been out hundreds of times with each other in the past, so I have a lot of experience being in his shadow. Imagine two friends, one is 165cm tall and the other one more than 2 meters tall going out. It would often go down like this, he got 99-100% of attention of women while walking through clubs and bars, or standing close to the bar - while I got basically 0-1%... but this time was different.

He probably got a little more attention due to his height, but I also got almost the same amount of attention from women - and we both got approached by this group of 5-6 girls. We talked to them some, then continued through the club (a big three floor venue) and got approached by another group of three women. We spent some time talking to them before I saw this smashing hottie, who I decided to approach. She was very open to talking and was giving me all the right signals like leaning in, laughing at my bad jokes and constantly running her hands though her hair. We talked for a while and exchanged snap-chat. On our way out I got approached by one of the girls from the first group and she was like "hey you" and wanted to dance, but because I'm still quite stiff in my hip motion I just kindly rejected and left after talking for a few minutes. Honestly my mind was more on the hottie I exchanged snap-chat with. At this point I'm starting to think that these 11,5cm of gained height really is making a huge difference. Especially the last girl on the dance floor was around 160cm tall, and I have never ever felt so tall around a girl out before - and it was kind of awesome. I was basically a head taller than her, so I'm guessing for that girl as long as she perceives you ass tall it's all good. She's not gonna notice if you are 177cm tall or 185cm tall. All in all another successful night out.

Then for my fifth time out, and honestly I was feeling good now - but at the same time I had a feeling that my streak was gonna come to an end. And things would revert to my normal experience out pre surgery. I mean, how much can height matter right? Well, I a lot and I was not prepared for this night out. Things stated off quite quickly at this popular rooftop bar where I was approached by one of the girls at the table next to us, talked to her for a bit (she seamed really into me, but wasn't the best looking imo) and roamed the bar which was packed and people where dancing all over the place. I am not kidding, I could not walk through the crowd with out some random girls trying to dance with me of wanting to cheers as I walked through with my drink held above the crowd. Seriously it kind of felt surreal and like a vivid dream how women where now looking at me, smiling at me and treating me. And then... I bumped into the two girls from my third night out, but this time the brunette was super into me, dragging me onto the dance floor and holding around me like there was no tomorrow. The blond however, less enthusiastic (probably because she asked me to come over to her place at like 03:00 in the morning last time and I kindly rejected her). So while dancing with them I locked eyes with probably the most beautiful girl I had ever seen. She smiled and I smiled back at her. She then came closer and I was now holding around her and the two other dancing (yeah... never happened before in my life, so I am as baffled as you). Then a friend of the beautiful girl dragged her away (I found her later though and got to talk more in private and we exchanged snap chat). At this point I needed a break and walked inside and was immediately approached by this girl who works at this clothing store I bought some new pants at a few weeks earlier, and she was like "hey you bough those pants from me, I walk at so and so" and I'm like yeah. She introduced me to her friends and we talked for bit as well.

Before leaving this bar/club I was getting some fresh air in a corner when I started talking to these two girls standing next to me. After while one of them was hit by an ice-cube, we looked over and it was the two girls from earlier I was dancing with trowing ice-cubes at these girls I was talking to. Yeah, absurd that grown women (early 20's trowing ice-cubes at other grown women). After this I left to find some other friends at another bar. Honestly, I was overwhelmed by the attention and just positive response from women. I have NEVER EVER experienced this before in my lifetime, and I am also leaving out tons of other smaller interactions from this bar where I spent four hours, and the last hour alone because my friends left for a another venue.

A little later while waiting for my Uber next to this bus stop this cute girl walks by, we locked eyes and smile at each other. As she gets closer she says "hi there handsome, walks up to me and gives me a kiss on the cheek". I don't even have time to react and now I am just smiling and laughing at this wild evening because the whole night has just been absurd. While I am standing there and laughing this other cute girl walks past with her boy friend (him on his phone) and because I'm still reacting to the situation that just happed I have a huge smile as I lock eyes with this girl walking with her boyfriend and she blushes as she smiles back at me. She gives me another look and smile as they walk past and a last spin, look and smile after she walked away.

The night lasted a few more hours, I talked to a few more girls and got more positive responses, but these above where the best ones worth sharing.

The night that I though was going to set the balance back, reset the order in the universe turned out to be the best night out ever regarding responses and interaction from women in my life to this date. Sure I didn't actually hook up or take anybody home with me, but pretty sure I could have done that several times that night if I wanted to. The whole night and all of these encounters is just absurd and is far cry from what I am used to, yeah... not sure what more to say about that. I am surprised, shocked, amazed, glad, overwhelmed and really don't know how to react or what to expect next. Because I sure as hell wasn't expecting this. Almost every girl I talked to, looked at or smiled at gave me a positive response and that is not something I am at all used to.

After my first time out I was careful to jump to any conclusions and even after my fourth time out I was like "yeah, probably just an anomaly and not going to last", but after my fifth time out (and five times is not a big sample size, I will admit that) I feel I have enough datapoints and interactions to confidently says that women find me not just find me a little more attractive now at 177cm vs earlier at 165cm, but a lot more attractive. I honestly feel like I have gone from a 5/10 to a 7,5-8/10, it doesn't make any sense - but at this point the proof is in the pudding. There is a night and day difference pre- to post surgery. I still can't believe it is true, because it really doesn't compute in my head - but my experience doesn't lie either.



Disclaimer:

I hope you guys are liking me sharing my experience with women post surgery and I feel there are very little stories here or online talking about pre- and post surgery experience when it comes to that. I am extremely humbled that I am lucky to experience this now, and I am in no way trying to brag, but rather just tell it as it is. Share my experiences as I experience them. So I do apologize if I come off as trying to brag in any way, because that is truly not my intention. Lastly I would love to hear other peoples experience post surgery with women and dating.

//Standtaller