this "diary" seems more like an advertisement... replete with supplement promotions
also, the style is too planned... I could write a diary like this too.... If I were paid for it, and wanted to spend a lot of time doing it
it's also curiously similar to another diary on here
and of course the writer won't answer questions
this forum has officially jumped the shark
ecb...
you and your 14 posts hold no weight in here. I'm glad you say you "know" two fake names... which is interesting... the posted is going for anonymity, but yet you know who he is... sounds legit
For a real barinov journal, I'll look at rgkey... he now has 2 deformed legs... there is no way this journal has a bad ending... sure, there might be some hiccups to make it more believable, but 0% chance the final outcome isn't positive
just to be clear
this diary has none of the following
1- dates
2- back and forth discussion
it's a promo.... an advertisement... luckily, everyone that's messaged me about this diary agrees
I've seen multiple diaries of barinov... there's always complications... notable bending is the main one... the old forum has a few
Not answering questions is a major red flag... another one is how one patient did 10 cm successfully, and the other did over 7.5
This procedure is too dangerous to just let this diary go on without a challenge
look all over the forums... anyone that's thinks my case is rare must not be paying attention
no one is going to read that long post, which you spent an hour and a half writing
you just showed your hand again, by blaming RGKEY.
it's not only rgkey either... the other board has diaries where the members have to tell a patient of Barinov that Barinov is wrong... the legs are crooked... The patient then goes back to Barinov, and voila, yes, the legs are bent, we will fix that
Not going to pm you anything... the other board which is well known has these diaries, and there's also a Russian board that has diaries... I understand why you would want me to tell you off the board, but that isn't going to happen
For members that doubt me, just go to the other board and have a look
Blaming the patient is a common tactic, and not so subtle
you bring up 3 patients there that have done 10 cm, as if that's a good thing
You just proved why people should never go to barinov... Patients in his care are allowed to do 10 cm... not just 1, but 3 currently.
No responsible surgeon would allow that. The person you mentioned before that did 10 cm was already 5'7... yet was allowed to do do 10 cm, which is an enormous amount
You just make my case for me....
here's the thread I mentioned
http://www. /index.php?PHPSESSID=64ab5cd86c36e57ef57565ca3ebeb7b3&topic=4491.160
the guy says explicitly that Barinov didn't notice his x legs until a forum member pointed it out
that's damning evidence, and something that can not be overlooked
Well... they won't let you post a link to the old forum, but look up legs7 on the old forum
The guy has bad x legs, and the Dr says all is ok, until members look at him and tell him, no, your legs are bent
You can try to spin this as you please, but that does not inspire confidence... Yes. I'm aware of the convoluted story that Barinov gave him as the reason, but it's not believable...
Not only is not believable, it's insane.... The Dr thought he wanted bent legs, so he allowed it? There's just no way to look at this that makes Barinov look good
Legs7 even says Barinov blames patients when things go wrong
sound familiar?
stripes, took you days to write that??
so everyone knows
Stripes has been private messaging me, gave me his skype... told me please come on skype so he can see me
I ignored him
he asked for proof, and I gave it... Legs7 had crooked legs, which barinov did not notice until a forum member pointed it out
that's one case of crooked legs
rgkey is another
so far that's 2 cases out of 2
then we have stripes mentioning that 3 patients have lengthened 10 cm... 10 cm, which is clearly beyond the limits of safety
Let's do a quick summary of all pertinent information
2 diaries so far
1- legs7... crooked legs noticed by a forum member, not barinov
2- rgkey... crooked legs, severe deformity... caused by early removal of frames
and yes, rgkey was upset... because he's in denial
Look at his x rays... his legs are deformed... he was making excuses as to why he wasn't getting his legs fixe quickly
well, did he correct them?? He posted a video of himself squatting, except he does not do 1 actual squat
people are in denial here about the reality of ll
I'm not in denial.... ll should not be performed on healthy adults... and this is hardly a solitary position
ask around... most Drs would agree with me
I have no agenda, and I don't promote any dr.... that's the difference
I think Monegal did an ok job on my legs, but I can't recommend people go to him for ll, as I don't recommend the surgery
Stripes is recommending Barinov, and saying how 11 patients are all doing wonderfully
of course we only have stripes word for this
Stripes is clearly having a meltdown... compare his latest post to his earlier ones...
I'll post more diaries now to prove my case
here is another diary of barinov... look for the diary of deathorb at the old forum
Deathorb stopped posting, but here's the latest info about him according to the posts
"Sorry for being abrupt and not answering some previous questions. I don't think my diary is a good indication of how long you will spend here. This is due to me being a Guinea pig and having many issues with the nail being stuck. These have now been resolved, thanks to the doctors eventually sorting there act out and me enduring a lot of pain / bull cra*!
Any way I am now at 6 cm both legs and cannot walk properly due to pain in my right leg. The issue has been posted in the general questions board if anyone can help.
I hopefully will be done in a month or so, just one cm to go, and then consolidation.
I get food delivered and Tanya is great for helping us patients get what we need. She is the helper who the clinic employ.
Hopefully other patients will spend between 4 and 6 months here for about 7 cm lengthening. Just remember that going above 7 is risky and do as many ballerina foot stretches as possible before coming here - be a leg yoga expert! This will make life easier beyond 5 cm.
Any more questions, I can answer in return for links to lon diaries, even on other sites."
"Quote from: Devil on August 09, 2015, 09:23:22 AM
So he underwent LON in December, finished lengthening in March/April and still has fixators in August? That timeline doesn't seem right. I thought the point of having a nail inserted was for consolidation purposes. It would nice to hear directly from him.
I will ask him to update his diary. But yes it is true that it did not turn out the way he planned. I remember when he came on his first day and he had consultation with Dr. Barinov. Then he came to me and said: I will do LON and I will be finished with lengthening after 80 days for 8 cm and I could be framefree after 3-4 months. And I said to him: I would double the time then maybe you have a realistic timeframe. And I would not do LON because I have not heard of anyone doing that here in the clinic. You could be the first guy. Just do LATN. He was really surprised I guess but did not change his mind.
Now 7-8 months after his operation he still wears his frames because of his poor regeneration. But I guess it could have happened to anyone of us. He walked a lot I remember. As you can see it is hard to plan your ll journey.
I am sure he will be fine in the end. It will just take a little longer..."
"When I got to the clinic he had some contractions and the thing to remember is that developing contractions will make the process longer."
so now this is 3 diaries out of 3 with issues... yet according to stripes, 11 patients did this in last 2 years and are doing great, even 3 that did 10 cm
I rest my case
nightwish... 10 or 11 cm and fine is not possible...
at least by most people's definition of fine..
I just looked at mr placebo's diary... and he hasn't even posted in months... he had the surgery in late may, or early june, and obviously isn't even near full recovery... how he can serve as an example of a good outcome is beyond me.... the guy likely can't walk or run now... he certainly isn't completing his diary soon... unless abruptly ending it midway is what you mean
rgkey says his outcome was good too... and we've seen his x rays and squat video... let's see running videos, and videos of walking downstairs
here's another diary from a barinov patient
his name is silvertiger on the old forum
here's what he says
"In conclusion, if I know before hand everything had to go through I would not have done it in the first place. But, no one can know until they do it. Everyone experience will be different. Out of the five people that had Leg Lengthening surgery with me here, three of the five would not have done it if they know before hand everything had to go through.
I would give Russian Ilizarov Scientific Centre an ok but not good place to do leg lengthening surgery. It is a quick and safe place to do it. But, I think it is one of the most painful place to do it. Here they do two breaks on each bones so it is quicker but more painful when lengthening so fast. For some people here the foot ring was not at bad, but for others include me it was one of the worst part.
Russian Ilizarov Scientific Centre a great place if you need a correction. You will not need to do lengthen or need the foot ring. Most of the people there is very nice. I just had a problem with two of the helpers or cleaning ladies there. They where just lazy and not very nice at all. "
read that carefully... he's saying 3 out of the 5 people that had the surgery with him by barinov, would not have had the surgery if they could go back in time... including silvertiger, that's 4 out of 6... which is 67%...
that contradicts your narrative that 11 people have had it last 2 years, and all are great
thatdude,
exactly!!!!
I can post a short video of myself walking upstairs.... yes, me, the biggest complainer on the board, can walk up stairs
I'd look fairly normal doing it too... I could post a 20 second video of myself walking that might look ok as well..
That's a far cry from a 15 minute fast walk to the train... or how I get around throughout the day
stripes...
how about prince2... someone you mentioned, saying that barinov had him lie on his business visa??
or how about jmoney, who said he suffered x legs which then needed correction???
Where did they go?
Barinov, correct???
jmoney posts 1 video of himself walking.... and he's going about .5 mph on two crutches, and no videos after
and let's say barinov has many cases of x legs, but he fixes them
is that a positive??? you're taking a patient that has normal healthy legs, and causing a deformity, then you are correcting the deformity you caused by the surgery
that is not what I call successful... you're taking a normal person with functioning legs, and performing a surgery where the patient has less function afterwards.... yet this a called a success
stripes,
you mention all patients being successful
does this include the patient that committed suicide at the hospital while lengthening?
that's on the old forum too
nothing to do with the surgery???
you sure seem to back barinov at any cost
The fact is... we can't know why he committed suicide.... though since he did commit suicide at the hospital, we can reasonably infer that the procedure might have been a contributing factor
stripes is like a christian fundamentalist who holds to biblical inerrancy
no matter what the evidence might suggest, the bible is perfect... stripes is the same way
A more reasonable and believable belief would be the following...
elective ll surgery is dangerous, and medically unnecessary.... there can be positive outcomes, but the risks are too great, and the majority of patients are less functional after the surgery...
As everyone can notice, stripes is attacking me personally... compare his first posts to his new ones
the amount of anger he shows is not normal for a disinterested 3rd party...
it's something very personal
look at rgkey.... look at deathorb... look at legs7, etc
look at the patient that committed suicide.... surely this is enough to make one ponder whether LL is really worth it
Certainly the man that committed suicide decided it was not
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