You say someone has lengthened 11cm. How fine is completely fine? I have to say from what I've read I agree with CrimsonTide here, all sorts of alarm bells are going off in my head when I see 10/11cm...
Not that I'm dismissing what you say at all.
He's doing completely okay as in he has no contractures, he's walking lots without any pain and his regeneration is looking good, he's just waiting for it to be enough to get the nail. I completely agree I think 11 CM is a lot but he did it anyway and he's pretty happy with it. Tbh, before doing the surgery myself and meeting others who had done 10 CM I thought 8CM was the absolute max and even that was pushing it but people did it and they were completely okay, but I have to mention that those that did achieve that much lengthening really put in the work. I mean these guys were walking, stretching and doing PT every moment they were awake.
nightwish... 10 or 11 cm and fine is not possible...
at least by most people's definition of fine..
I just looked at mr placebo's diary... and he hasn't even posted in months... he had the surgery in late may, or early june, and obviously isn't even near full recovery... how he can serve as an example of a good outcome is beyond me.... the guy likely can't walk or run now... he certainly isn't completing his diary soon... unless abruptly ending it midway is what you mean
rgkey says his outcome was good too... and we've seen his x rays and squat video... let's see running videos, and videos of walking downstairs
here's another diary from a barinov patient
his name is silvertiger on the old forum
here's what he says
"In conclusion, if I know before hand everything had to go through I would not have done it in the first place. But, no one can know until they do it. Everyone experience will be different. Out of the five people that had Leg Lengthening surgery with me here, three of the five would not have done it if they know before hand everything had to go through.
I would give Russian Ilizarov Scientific Centre an ok but not good place to do leg lengthening surgery. It is a quick and safe place to do it. But, I think it is one of the most painful place to do it. Here they do two breaks on each bones so it is quicker but more painful when lengthening so fast. For some people here the foot ring was not at bad, but for others include me it was one of the worst part.
Russian Ilizarov Scientific Centre a great place if you need a correction. You will not need to do lengthen or need the foot ring. Most of the people there is very nice. I just had a problem with two of the helpers or cleaning ladies there. They where just lazy and not very nice at all. "
read that carefully... he's saying 3 out of the 5 people that had the surgery with him by barinov, would not have had the surgery if they could go back in time... including silvertiger, that's 4 out of 6... which is 67%...
that contradicts your narrative that 11 people have had it last 2 years, and all are great
It's amazing what people here consider "fine" isn't it? Just because someone posts a video of themselves hobbling around with some optimistic messages to go with it doesn't mean they're fine. They may be on track, but they're still a long, long way away from being recovered and a success story.
Sigh, you really are an idiot. That isn't even a patient of Dr. Barinov's.. If YOU "read that carefully" you would have seen that he's VERY clearly talking about the Russian Ilizarov Scientific Centre which is in Kurgan. I'm really tired of going back and forth with you, you really just have no idea what you're talking about but you're so sure of yourself and it's exhausting. Time will tell for everyone that's done LL and that's all I can really say. Just keep to your own threads and stick to discussions that you actually understand and have the experience to talk about without embarrassing yourself. We're done here.
thatdude,
exactly!!!!
I can post a short video of myself walking upstairs.... yes, me, the biggest complainer on the board, can walk up stairs
I'd look fairly normal doing it too... I could post a 20 second video of myself walking that might look ok as well..
That's a far cry from a 15 minute fast walk to the train... or how I get around throughout the day
stripes...
how about prince2... someone you mentioned, saying that barinov had him lie on his business visa??
or how about jmoney, who said he suffered x legs which then needed correction???
Where did they go?
Barinov, correct???
jmoney posts 1 video of himself walking.... and he's going about .5 mph on two crutches, and no videos after
and let's say barinov has many cases of x legs, but he fixes them
is that a positive??? you're taking a patient that has normal healthy legs, and causing a deformity, then you are correcting the deformity you caused by the surgery
that is not what I call successful... you're taking a normal person with functioning legs, and performing a surgery where the patient has less function afterwards.... yet this a called a success
stripes,
you mention all patients being successful
does this include the patient that committed suicide at the hospital while lengthening?
that's on the old forum too
You know I'm actually really glad you brought up jmoney because I completely forgot about him. If you read his diary, you'll see him mention several times that his roommate did 10CM... that's Mercutio he's referring to. "I didn't want to get any contractions so maybe I did excesive stretching and walking but it worked and it also worked for my roommate. Since Rgkey did 9cm, Prince2 8cm, roommate 10cm and I did 9cm we decided to call this room " The champions room". For future LL patients in this clinic let's keep this going Wink"
As for the correction spiel you just told: It is not another surgical procedure. When you do large amounts of lengthening there's a pretty big chance of misalignment, so all of Barinov's frames are designed to be able to correct misalignments by turning back the two back columns/ That's what he was referring to as "correction" It's a very simple and quick process which is literally no different than turning while lengthening. I'll talk more about this in my journal at a later point. AGAIN, you show that you do not what you're talking about because you simply ARE NOT a patient of Dr. Barinov's so you really just have no idea about what the process is like for Dr. Barinov's patients. Oh and about the patient that committed suicide, he commited suicide at the hospital by jumping out the window a week after his surgery because his girlfriend left him and she was the only reason he was doing this surgery. Sound familiar? - AGAIN, nothing to do with the DOCTOR. Enough of your baseless slander, you're trying so hard to find something just because you're miserable that you went to the wrong doctor and you're trying to justify your decision. Get over it.
nothing to do with the surgery???
you sure seem to back barinov at any cost
The fact is... we can't know why he committed suicide.... though since he did commit suicide at the hospital, we can reasonably infer that the procedure might have been a contributing factor
stripes is like a christian fundamentalist who holds to biblical inerrancy
no matter what the evidence might suggest, the bible is perfect... stripes is the same way
A more reasonable and believable belief would be the following...
elective ll surgery is dangerous, and medically unnecessary.... there can be positive outcomes, but the risks are too great, and the majority of patients are less functional after the surgery...
As everyone can notice, stripes is attacking me personally... compare his first posts to his new ones
the amount of anger he shows is not normal for a disinterested 3rd party...
it's something very personal
look at rgkey.... look at deathorb... look at legs7, etc
look at the patient that committed suicide.... surely this is enough to make one ponder whether LL is really worth it
Certainly the man that committed suicide decided it was not
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