this "diary" seems more like an advertisement... replete with supplement promotions
also, the style is too planned... I could write a diary like this too.... If I were paid for it, and wanted to spend a lot of time doing it
it's also curiously similar to another diary on here
and of course the writer won't answer questions
this forum has officially jumped the shark
Quote from: crimsontide on February 11, 2016, 04:39:06 PMthis "diary" seems more like an advertisement... replete with supplement promotions
also, the style is too planned... I could write a diary like this too.... If I were paid for it, and wanted to spend a lot of time doing it
it's also curiously similar to another diary on here
and of course the writer won't answer questions
this forum has officially jumped the shark
To which diary is it similiar?
Quote from: crimsontide on February 11, 2016, 04:39:06 PMthis "diary" seems more like an advertisement... replete with supplement promotions
also, the style is too planned... I could write a diary like this too.... If I were paid for it, and wanted to spend a lot of time doing it
it's also curiously similar to another diary on here
and of course the writer won't answer questions
this forum has officially jumped the shark
Lol crimsontide you are way too paranoid. I can vouch that i know both stripes and mercutio and trust me no one is getting "paid" to write a journal here. You're also jumping the gun, it's only the beginning of the journal and he hasn't gotten into any of his experiences with LL yet, so don't assume this is going to be a perfect story. We understand that you had a bad experience but quit spreading negativity towards everyone.
ecb...
you and your 14 posts hold no weight in here. I'm glad you say you "know" two fake names... which is interesting... the posted is going for anonymity, but yet you know who he is... sounds legit
For a real barinov journal, I'll look at rgkey... he now has 2 deformed legs... there is no way this journal has a bad ending... sure, there might be some hiccups to make it more believable, but 0% chance the final outcome isn't positive
just to be clear
this diary has none of the following
1- dates
2- back and forth discussion
it's a promo.... an advertisement... luckily, everyone that's messaged me about this diary agrees
I've seen multiple diaries of barinov... there's always complications... notable bending is the main one... the old forum has a few
Not answering questions is a major red flag... another one is how one patient did 10 cm successfully, and the other did over 7.5
This procedure is too dangerous to just let this diary go on without a challenge
look all over the forums... anyone that's thinks my case is rare must not be paying attention
Sigh. I really wanted to avoid having to clutter my journal with this back and forth crap but I guess it was bound to happen.
I don't blame you at all Crimsontide for being suspicious, you've dealt with doctors that weren't completely truthful it seems and you've had complications that have cast a negative perspective on LL. I understand your paranoia and your pretty far stretched assumption here so I won't chew you out for that.
The simple truth is that this is how I want to present my journal. Being anonymous is really important to me and I don't want to reveal any information about myself. I have rather curious friends who I'm positive will at some point do their research and try to figure out how I became taller - and without a doubt they will stumble upon LL. It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together especially if they're reading a journal with information such as dates, heights and place of origin.
That whole speech you gave about how you could write this journal too if you had a lot of time and were paid to do it, well I appreciate that. You should know that there's A LOT of time to write during LL, there's really nothing else to do. If it's not obvious by now I really enjoy writing and I wanted to document this experience in detail, it helped to pass the time and reflect over this journey.
I wanted to share my experiences and my knowledge with the forum because I know what it's like to be lurking through the posts reading every single journal, trying to get as much information as possible and figuring out how to best prepare. A lot of the journals really don't give you a complete idea of what the whole experience is like, most patients just give small updates as they go without giving too much detail. I want everyone to know exactly what to expect, detail by detail. I'm sorry that this is such a radical idea for you.
The reason I don't want back and forth discussion is because I don't want to have a cluttered journal, I want it to be read easily without having to read a bunch of side comments in between. It really bothered me in the past when I would read journals and I would have to go through 30 pages of the same questions being asked over and over again. Also, to be completely honest, I don't want to be involved too much with the forum. I think getting over height neurosis is a long process and constantly discussing height and proportions online makes it much more difficult. I don't want to spend unnecessary time on here, just share my story and hope it helps someone. If anyone reading my journal has questions or needs advice then I'm more than happy to respond through direct messages - and as I've said in a previous post - most questions about my LL will be answered as I continue to share anyways.
As for your issue with the fact that patients have done 7.5 and 10 cm successfully.. those are the facts and I'm not really sure why it's so surprising for you. The problem you seem to have is that because things went horribly for you now you believe that things must go horrible for everyone else as well. There are many, many people who have done this surgery and are happy with their results. Of course every single person has complications, whether it's pin cutting, ballerina, knee-bending, duckass... that's part of the process. You're lengthening your legs for heavens sake. In my experience it really depends on the doctors after care, your willingness to stretch, walk and exercise. I don't know what happened in your case, but I'm sorry that it went down that way. And by the way - it's not just one person that has done 10 CM it's now 3 with one patient still there now. Two of them are on the old forum under Mr. Placebo and hollahollagettalla.
Let's talk about RGKEY, no disrespect to him but what happened with RGKEY was his own fault. He was completely fine when he left but he didn't listen to the doctors and he stopped using his crutches early and he began lifting heavy weights. Everyone knows that. I would love to read these multiple diaries of Barinov's where there's always complications. I haven't read a single diary for Dr. B that has ended badly other than RGKEY. Please send me those in my inbox without cluttering my journal more, or if you want post these negative journals that you're talking about it in a separate thread so we can all understand what you're talking about.
And about ecb1992... he obviously isn't going to refer to me by my real name. Everyone at the clinic knows who everyone is, we all lengthened together at some point or have heard of one another through other patients. We all keep in contact and we all support one another. Everyone at the clinic knows who I am and you can contact any of the patients past or present to confirm that.
All in all, I really don't appreciate your slander. A lot of time was put into this and right off the bat you're devaluing my entire experience and that really bothers me. I really don't have to share any of this but I want to provide the same help that was provided to me by reading through this forum. You can and should challenge the posts on the forum, but don't make up a stupid story and crazy assumptions and pass it off as fact. Also I think it's completely irresponsible for you to make accusations like this about a doctor you yourself have had absolutely no experience with. Anyways, all the best to you anyways and if you want to talk more about this then feel free to inbox me.
no one is going to read that long post, which you spent an hour and a half writing
you just showed your hand again, by blaming RGKEY.
it's not only rgkey either... the other board has diaries where the members have to tell a patient of Barinov that Barinov is wrong... the legs are crooked... The patient then goes back to Barinov, and voila, yes, the legs are bent, we will fix that
Not going to pm you anything... the other board which is well known has these diaries, and there's also a Russian board that has diaries... I understand why you would want me to tell you off the board, but that isn't going to happen
For members that doubt me, just go to the other board and have a look
Blaming the patient is a common tactic, and not so subtle
you bring up 3 patients there that have done 10 cm, as if that's a good thing
You just proved why people should never go to barinov... Patients in his care are allowed to do 10 cm... not just 1, but 3 currently.
No responsible surgeon would allow that. The person you mentioned before that did 10 cm was already 5'7... yet was allowed to do do 10 cm, which is an enormous amount
You just make my case for me....
here's the thread I mentioned
http://www. /index.php?PHPSESSID=64ab5cd86c36e57ef57565ca3ebeb7b3&topic=4491.160
the guy says explicitly that Barinov didn't notice his x legs until a forum member pointed it out
that's damning evidence, and something that can not be overlooked
Well... they won't let you post a link to the old forum, but look up legs7 on the old forum
The guy has bad x legs, and the Dr says all is ok, until members look at him and tell him, no, your legs are bent
You can try to spin this as you please, but that does not inspire confidence... Yes. I'm aware of the convoluted story that Barinov gave him as the reason, but it's not believable...
Not only is not believable, it's insane.... The Dr thought he wanted bent legs, so he allowed it? There's just no way to look at this that makes Barinov look good
Legs7 even says Barinov blames patients when things go wrong
sound familiar?
Okay I tried to be nice and deal with you maturely but clearly you're not the type that deals with things rationally.
I don't know what makes you think that you know what you're talking about but you sound like a moron. Reading through your posts it's become quite clear to me that height neurosis isn't your only complex. It's cute how hard you're trying to get everyone not to do LL and how deeply sure you are that any successful result or journal is suspicious or an "advertisement or promo". Buddy, you sound like a paranoid schizophrenic. LL isn't for many types of people but it especially isn't for people who aren't mentally stable and by the sounds of the desperation in your early posts about how you did this because of your ex, well it doesn't appear that you're completely rational. Not only that but you went to a LL doctor because he was the cheapest even though you wrote that you saw in wannabegiant's posts that there was barely any aftercare and then afterwards you want to complain about how you got screwed? Sounds like your ability to really think things through is crystal clear. You keep talking about doctors blaming patients, how about you also accept responsibility for your own mistakes.
I love how you tried to rip on ECB for having 14 posts, sorry that all of us aren't posting 3 times a day and spending all our time on the forum. He did the surgery which means his posts hold every bit of weight thats yours do. It's funny because guaranteed we both know more about LL yet you're all over this forum acting like you know what you're talking about. See, at the clinic we're around 4 or 5 other LL patients at a time. We all lived together, stretched and exercised together, looked at one another's X-Rays, saw our doctors everyday and discussed LL everyday for months. You did this completely alone without being able to speak to a doctor in your own language and you think you know better? You didn't even know what pin cutting was when you had it!
As for me blaming RGKEY and that's why you think I'm a doctor, man EVERYONE at Barinov's knows RGKEY'S story. You read his diary? Great, some of us have TALKED to RGKEY. In fact you should go read his diary again, he LEFT the clinic with STRAIGHT LEGS, he admits that he stopped using the crutches even though Dr. Barinov told him not to, started lifting weights, dancing, doing martial arts etc
. It's funny because you actually had an argument with RGKEY on this forum and he told you "Dont waste yr time pointing fingers to validate your own insecurities." And that's exactly what this is all about, you have way too many insecurities and you're depressed about your own life and how things turned out for you and now you're pointing at everyone else and trying to crap on it. There has been 11 LL patients at Dr. Barinov's in the last 2 years that I can recall, all of them successful - you want to tell all of us how our experiences were? Do you want to explain to US what OUR doctor is like? As for Legs7, I don't know her story but that was in 2012 and from the looks of it her journey was successful. What I know about is my experience during the time that I was there and that of my friends that were there then and now. No one cares what you think about Dr. Barinov because you have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about. You've never spoken to any of his patients, you've never been to the clinic all your arguments are based on one journal from years ago. Congratulations. You have ZERO credibility in this subject. If anyone here has any doubts or has any questions feel free to inbox me and we'll exchange skype information and talk in detail which I tried to do with Crimsontide but he doesn't want to see to respond privately- as long as none of my info gets posted here afterwards.
stripes, took you days to write that??
so everyone knows
Stripes has been private messaging me, gave me his skype... told me please come on skype so he can see me
I ignored him
he asked for proof, and I gave it... Legs7 had crooked legs, which barinov did not notice until a forum member pointed it out
that's one case of crooked legs
rgkey is another
so far that's 2 cases out of 2
then we have stripes mentioning that 3 patients have lengthened 10 cm... 10 cm, which is clearly beyond the limits of safety
Let's do a quick summary of all pertinent information
2 diaries so far
1- legs7... crooked legs noticed by a forum member, not barinov
2- rgkey... crooked legs, severe deformity... caused by early removal of frames
and yes, rgkey was upset... because he's in denial
Look at his x rays... his legs are deformed... he was making excuses as to why he wasn't getting his legs fixe quickly
well, did he correct them?? He posted a video of himself squatting, except he does not do 1 actual squat
people are in denial here about the reality of ll
I'm not in denial.... ll should not be performed on healthy adults... and this is hardly a solitary position
ask around... most Drs would agree with me
I have no agenda, and I don't promote any dr.... that's the difference
I think Monegal did an ok job on my legs, but I can't recommend people go to him for ll, as I don't recommend the surgery
Stripes is recommending Barinov, and saying how 11 patients are all doing wonderfully
of course we only have stripes word for this
Stripes is clearly having a meltdown... compare his latest post to his earlier ones...
I'll post more diaries now to prove my case
here is another diary of barinov... look for the diary of deathorb at the old forum
Deathorb stopped posting, but here's the latest info about him according to the posts
"Sorry for being abrupt and not answering some previous questions. I don't think my diary is a good indication of how long you will spend here. This is due to me being a Guinea pig and having many issues with the nail being stuck. These have now been resolved, thanks to the doctors eventually sorting there act out and me enduring a lot of pain / bull cra*!
Any way I am now at 6 cm both legs and cannot walk properly due to pain in my right leg. The issue has been posted in the general questions board if anyone can help.
I hopefully will be done in a month or so, just one cm to go, and then consolidation.
I get food delivered and Tanya is great for helping us patients get what we need. She is the helper who the clinic employ.
Hopefully other patients will spend between 4 and 6 months here for about 7 cm lengthening. Just remember that going above 7 is risky and do as many ballerina foot stretches as possible before coming here - be a leg yoga expert! This will make life easier beyond 5 cm.
Any more questions, I can answer in return for links to lon diaries, even on other sites."
"Quote from: Devil on August 09, 2015, 09:23:22 AM
So he underwent LON in December, finished lengthening in March/April and still has fixators in August? That timeline doesn't seem right. I thought the point of having a nail inserted was for consolidation purposes. It would nice to hear directly from him.
I will ask him to update his diary. But yes it is true that it did not turn out the way he planned. I remember when he came on his first day and he had consultation with Dr. Barinov. Then he came to me and said: I will do LON and I will be finished with lengthening after 80 days for 8 cm and I could be framefree after 3-4 months. And I said to him: I would double the time then maybe you have a realistic timeframe. And I would not do LON because I have not heard of anyone doing that here in the clinic. You could be the first guy. Just do LATN. He was really surprised I guess but did not change his mind.
Now 7-8 months after his operation he still wears his frames because of his poor regeneration. But I guess it could have happened to anyone of us. He walked a lot I remember. As you can see it is hard to plan your ll journey.
I am sure he will be fine in the end. It will just take a little longer..."
"When I got to the clinic he had some contractions and the thing to remember is that developing contractions will make the process longer."
so now this is 3 diaries out of 3 with issues... yet according to stripes, 11 patients did this in last 2 years and are doing great, even 3 that did 10 cm
I rest my case
LOL I didn't send you my information so I could see YOU it was so that you could see me and we could talk.
You really haven't proven anything. We've already discussed that RGKEY left the clinic with straight legs, everything thereafter is his own fault. As for deathorb, what did you prove? He asked to do LON even though he knew he would be the first one to ever do it at the clinic, everyone told him to just do LATN but he insisted. The reason he had problems was because of really bad regeneration which everyone here knows will prolong the process entirely. As quoted in your post "But I guess it could have happened to anyone of us. He walked a lot I remember. As you can see it is hard to plan your ll journey." and "When I got to the clinic he had some contractions and the thing to remember is that developing contractions will make the process longer." See everyone here seems to understand that but you. But now you're saying bad regeneration and contractures are the doctors fault? You're such an idiot and that's exactly why did a surgical release to fix your ballerina instead of PT like everyone else on here. That's because everyone else on here actually understands that these things are part of the process and that it takes WORK. You weren't even prepared for your own LL!
I don't have any agenda, it's just annoying to have some clueless delusional moron commenting on my journal about crap he knows nothing about. If Dr. Barinov screwed me up or screwed anyone else while I was there then I wouldn't be defending him right now, I would have been the first person to warn everyone. Thankfully I didn't have the same experience you did, largely because I'm not a wreckless moron and I actually went to a doctor that speaks english and looks after his patients. Also I wasn't lazy and was VERY knowledgable on LL beforehand. So of course based on my own results I'm going to recommend the surgery and based on MY experience, absolutely recommend Dr. Barinov, I'm very thankful for what he did for me. Again YOUR problems are NOT everyone else's problems. And yeah there have been 11 patients that have been successful, I never said without issues - every single one of us dealt with pin cutting, pin breaks, ballerina, knee bending and problems with regeneration. All of that is completely normal and is just part of the process of lengthening. And no you don't just have my word for this.
There's Prince: "Just found out that someone did 11 cm in Volgograd now. Really good achievement. He is doing it right. Wish I could go back and do at least 10 cm too. Everything else is a waste of time in my opinion. Guys who go for 4-5 cm, just doesnt make sense to me. Financial damage: 50 000 euros if you also count the time I could have spend working. Time "lost": about 1.5 years. That is why I think you should try to get the maximum out of the operation. But maybe that is just my character, always trying to get the best possible.
As far as recovery goes: Walking perfectly. Taking stairs without any problems. Doing squats. Sitting, lying and standing no problem. Walking long distances no problem. Only carrying heavy weights and running is not allowed."
There's Mr. Placebo who has completed 10 CM, got the nail and is recovering well back home and should be completing his diary soon: http://www. /index.php/topic,7896.0/wap2.html
There's hollahollagettalla who completed 11 CM and is now waiting for the nail: http://www. /index.php/topic,7897.0/wap2.html (From what hollahollagettalla has told me Dr. Barinov was very angry that hhgt did 11 when he had limited him to a maximum of 9, but hhgt did it anyways and is completely fine)
There's Ecb1992 on this forum who's completed 6.5 and has 1-2 CM left to go, he's doing very well and he can tell you about that himself.
There's three guys from italy, two who live with ecb1992 right now have completed 8CM and the other still in the process who has done 6 so far and hopes to get to 10. The third individual is back home, completely recovered and very happy - he did 5 CM (Prince's roommate.)
There's another guy from the states who did 8CM, he went back home after frame removal, walking without crutches and completely happy now although he wishes he did more after hearing how many others did 10. Whom also btw was crying and hugging the doctors when he left.
There's another guy from the Ukrain who did 5CM and had his frames removed while Mercutio was there and he's now walking completely unassisted and resumed his life as normal.
Then there's myself. You can message any one of the users I mentioned on both forums to confirm the identities and status of everyone I just mentioned.
Oh and there's involgograd who was on this forum who has returned home and is doing very well last I heard.
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