Quote from: p00293 on April 24, 2023, 03:20:39 PMYeah I'd say it's worth it. 5ft 10 is about the cut off where I'd say the risk-reward starts getting unbalanced, and I flat out wouldn't do it at 5ft 11.
5ft 9 to 6ft is a huge difference though, get it done OP.
Almost noone is able to distinguish between a 5.9 and a 5.10 guy who is taller. The most muscular guy would look the bigger between them and most.people would think he is the taller one too.
So if LL is not worth at 5.10 then it is still doesn't worth at 5.9.
Yes the difference between 5.9 and 6ft is big but if you look bad at 5.9 (ugly face, skinny or obese etc) you will look as bad at 6ft and no woman would date.you only because you are taller.
But if you already look good at 5.9 then becoming 6ft will make you the date king. However, most good looking 5.9 guys don't even think about things like LL and just live their lives happily.
Quote from: Body Builder on April 24, 2023, 10:20:56 PMAlmost noone is able to distinguish between a 5.9 and a 5.10 guy who is taller. The most muscular guy would look the bigger between them and most.people would think he is the taller one too.
So if LL is not worth at 5.10 then it is still doesn't worth at 5.9.
Yes the difference between 5.9 and 6ft is big but if you look bad at 5.9 (ugly face, skinny or obese etc) you will look as bad at 6ft and no woman would date.you only because you are taller.
But if you already look good at 5.9 then becoming 6ft will make you the date king. However, most good looking 5.9 guys don't even think about things like LL and just live their lives happily.
This is garbage logic and I see it often. Just because 1 inch isn't neccesarily perceptible in terms of being able to accurately call out a guys exact height doesn't mean it doesn't matter. We could go further and say we'll if 5ft 10 vs 5ft 9 isn't noticable neither is 5ft 9 vs 5ft 8, and continue that logic all the way down to balding Indian janitors at 5ft 2. But that's because your logic is unsound to begin with: 5ft 10 vs 5ft 9 is noticable, just as any other height increase is, just not always in the sense that one can accurately judge them an inch apart every time.
6ft vs 5ft 9 obviously has an impact in dating. Yes there's women who will date you at 6ft that wouldn't if you're 5ft 9, no one except some bluepilled idiot could deny it. Whatever success a guy has at 5ft 9, the same version of himself would have more at 6ft.
Quote from: p00293 on April 24, 2023, 11:23:48 PMThis is garbage logic and I see it often. Just because 1 inch isn't neccesarily perceptible in terms of being able to accurately call out a guys exact height doesn't mean it doesn't matter. We could go further and say we'll if 5ft 10 vs 5ft 9 isn't noticable neither is 5ft 9 vs 5ft 8, and continue that logic all the way down to balding Indian janitors at 5ft 2. But that's because your logic is unsound to begin with: 5ft 10 vs 5ft 9 is noticable, just as any other height increase is, just not always in the sense that one can accurately judge them an inch apart every time.
6ft vs 5ft 9 obviously has an impact in dating. Yes there's women who will date you at 6ft that wouldn't if you're 5ft 9, no one except some bluepilled idiot could deny it. Whatever success a guy has at 5ft 9, the same version of himself would have more at 6ft.
I rember the incel height graph which showed that at 5'7, 65% of girls will reject you while 30% would at 5'9 and at 6' it is 10% or 5% and at 5'10 only 15%. Even according to the incel height graph, being 5'9+ is perfectly fine. From personal experience, being 5'7 i find these numbers a bit exaggerated but with a 1 inch insole my dating life improved considerably (a mixture of height but mainly self confidence).
If a 5'9 guy wanna do this, go ahead but I dont think the xhange will be as big going from 5'9 to 5'11-6' as going from 5'6 to 5'9-5'8
Quote from: informationispower on April 24, 2023, 11:40:24 PMI rember the incel height graph which showed that at 5'7, 65% of girls will reject you while 30% would at 5'9 and at 6' it is 10% or 5% and at 5'10 only 15%. Even according to the incel height graph, being 5'9+ is perfectly fine. From personal experience, being 5'7 i find these numbers a bit exaggerated but with a 1 inch insole my dating life improved considerably (a mixture of height but mainly self confidence).
If a 5'9 guy wanna do this, go ahead but I dont think the xhange will be as big going from 5'9 to 5'11-6' as going from 5'6 to 5'9-5'8
I don't know the specific graph you're talking about but let's say it's correct: going from 5ft 9 to 6ft just improved your dating life by 28% (70% to 90% is that percentage increase). Hardly irrelevant and it doesn't show 5ft 9 is "perfectly fine": it's not fine, albeit it's not a death tier height. Your "self kunfidunce" is irrelevant, it's about the extra height, to think otherwise is to think like a reddit bluepiller who says if you're considering LL you need muh therapy and if you got it done and it improved your life it was all because of your confidence boost. Absolute BS - it's the height, nothing else.
I agree with the last part (5ft 6 to 5ft 9 is a bigger life difference than 5ft 9 to 6ft) but that doesn't mean LL isn't worth it at 5ft 9, it just means it's even more worth it at 5ft 6.
I actually think (one surgery) LL is only really for guys in the range of 5ft 5 to 5ft 10 tbh. If you start below 5ft 5 you'll always be a manlet unless you're willing to do quadrilateral. Above 5ft 10 it's diminishing returns while in the 5ft 5 to 5ft 10 range each extra inch noticably improves your quality of life.
Quote from: p00293 on April 24, 2023, 11:23:48 PMThis is garbage logic and I see it often. Just because 1 inch isn't neccesarily perceptible in terms of being able to accurately call out a guys exact height doesn't mean it doesn't matter. We could go further and say we'll if 5ft 10 vs 5ft 9 isn't noticable neither is 5ft 9 vs 5ft 8, and continue that logic all the way down to balding Indian janitors at 5ft 2. But that's because your logic is unsound to begin with: 5ft 10 vs 5ft 9 is noticable, just as any other height increase is, just not always in the sense that one can accurately judge them an inch apart every time.
6ft vs 5ft 9 obviously has an impact in dating. Yes there's women who will date you at 6ft that wouldn't if you're 5ft 9, no one except some bluepilled idiot could deny it. Whatever success a guy has at 5ft 9, the same version of himself would have more at 6ft.
If someone has zero success with girls, like many men out there (at least 1/3) then even if they become 6ft their chances would be the same compared to 5.9.
The garbage logic is yours who believe that many men that write here and want to lengthen some crazy amounts although their initial height is completely average or very close to that, will suddenly become chick magnets at 6ft although at 5.9-10 may be still virgins.
Guess what, unless you are short, if you have problem with getting women then most of the times has nothing to do with height. And becoming 6ft from 5.10 will have minimal impact to that.
Because most 5.10-5.9 men who look good don't have problems with women, at least to the extend to want to do quadriple LL to fix it.
LL is only for short men or average men who already look good and want to become perfect. Noone else would have a real benefit from it. And for sure not average height ugly (on face or body etc) men or men with terrible style who gain 6-7cm and believe that they will suddenly drive women crazy.
Because at least 90% of the time these men would be completely unsuccessful with women after LL as they were before.
Quote from: Body Builder on April 25, 2023, 12:41:01 AMIf someone has zero success with girls, like many men out there (at least 1/3) then even if they become 6ft their chances would be the same compared to 5.9.
The garbage logic is yours who believe that many men that write here and want to lengthen some crazy amounts although their initial height is completely average or very close to that, will suddenly become chick magnets at 6ft although at 5.9-10 may be still virgins.
Guess what, unless you are short, if you have problem with getting women then most of the times has nothing to do with height. And becoming 6ft from 5.10 will have minimal impact to that.
Because most 5.10-5.9 men who look good don't have problems with women, at least to the extend to want to do quadriple LL to fix it.
LL is only for short men or average men who already look good and want to become perfect. Noone else would have a real benefit from it. And for sure not average height ugly (on face or body etc) men or men with terrible style who gain 6-7cm and believe that they will suddenly drive women crazy.
Because at least 90% of the time these men would be completely unsuccessful with women after LL as they were before.
Strawman argument that has nothing to do with if LL has value at 5ft 9. Yes if you're ugly you'll have a bad time anywhere, no one said otherwise, that's absolutely irrelevant since the same could be said about a guy at 5ft 3, 5ft 7, or 6ft 5. Ugly is ugly and has nothing to do with the value of LL surgery at a given height.
Quote from: p00293 on April 25, 2023, 12:49:39 AMStrawman argument that has nothing to do with if LL has value at 5ft 9. Yes if you're ugly you'll have a bad time anywhere, no one said otherwise, that's absolutely irrelevant since the same could be said about a guy at 5ft 3, 5ft 7, or 6ft 5. Ugly is ugly and has nothing to do with the value of LL surgery at a given height.
A 5.5 guy that becomes 5.8 after LL, even ugly, would live a much more normal life at an about average height as noone would discriminate against him for his height compared to when he was really short. On the other hand a 5.9 man won't have that discrimination to begin with so LL is only for making him more attractive to women while a 5.5 man had many problems except from dating which can be solved after he becomes average because he wouldn't face social.prejudice about his height after LL.
Its not all about dating.
But I still believe that a sensible LL (of about 6cm) will be useful even at 5.9, but only if you otherwise have reached your potential (in body, style etc) and you already have some success in women which will be more after LL. Just a bad looking man becoming 6ft from 5.9 won't change almost anything.
Quote from: Body Builder on April 25, 2023, 09:54:35 AMA 5.5 guy that becomes 5.8 after LL, even ugly, would live a much more normal life at an about average height as noone would discriminate against him for his height compared to when he was really short. On the other hand a 5.9 man won't have that discrimination to begin with so LL is only for making him more attractive to women while a 5.5 man had many problems except from dating which can be solved after he becomes average because he wouldn't face social.prejudice about his height after LL.
Its not all about dating.
But I still believe that a sensible LL (of about 6cm) will be useful even at 5.9, but only if you otherwise have reached your potential (in body, style etc) and you already have some success in women which will be more after LL. Just a bad looking man becoming 6ft from 5.9 won't change almost anything.
No, it is all about dating. 90% of it is anyway.
If you'd actually get LL so "other normies at my wageslave job will respect me more", just lol. The most respected slave on the slave farm, big deal!
Stop banging on that if you're ugly it won't help much. Everyone knows that and it's a strawman argument. An average looking guy at 5ft 9 will gain more success with women at 6ft, simple as that.
Quote from: p00293 on April 24, 2023, 11:52:39 PMI don't know the specific graph you're talking about but let's say it's correct: going from 5ft 9 to 6ft just improved your dating life by 28% (70% to 90% is that percentage increase). Hardly irrelevant and it doesn't show 5ft 9 is "perfectly fine": it's not fine, albeit it's not a death tier height. Your "self kunfidunce" is irrelevant, it's about the extra height, to think otherwise is to think like a reddit bluepiller who says if you're considering LL you need muh therapy and if you got it done and it improved your life it was all because of your confidence boost. Absolute BS - it's the height, nothing else.
I agree with the last part (5ft 6 to 5ft 9 is a bigger life difference than 5ft 9 to 6ft) but that doesn't mean LL isn't worth it at 5ft 9, it just means it's even more worth it at 5ft 6.
I actually think (one surgery) LL is only really for guys in the range of 5ft 5 to 5ft 10 tbh. If you start below 5ft 5 you'll always be a manlet unless you're willing to do quadrilateral. Above 5ft 10 it's diminishing returns while in the 5ft 5 to 5ft 10 range each extra inch noticably improves your quality of life.
It is self confidence because atleast where I live, girls dont throw themselves at you and you as a man needs to be the one initiating... Before i started wearing insoles I was more shy and maybe passed on opportunities while now I am more active. I am not saying that being taller doesnt make you more attractive, only that around 5'9+ the difference is not as big as going from short to average. This is why the vast majority of llers are below 5'7 and, atleast from personal experience, I hardly heard guys who are 5'9 complaining about their height or blaiming it for causing troubles with women.
With all that said, I dont judge negativly anyone who does ll even if they are 6'. It is their body and they can do whatever they want with it. I will admit that most average height and above llers I have seen are either ugly or complete wierdos though....
Quote from: informationispower on April 25, 2023, 11:44:46 AMIt is self confidence because atleast where I live, girls dont throw themselves at you and you as a man needs to be the one initiating... Before i started wearing insoles I was more shy and maybe passed on opportunities while now I am more active. I am not saying that being taller doesnt make you more attractive, only that around 5'9+ the difference is not as big as going from short to average. This is why the vast majority of llers are below 5'7 and, atleast from personal experience, I hardly heard guys who are 5'9 complaining about their height or blaiming it for causing troubles with women.
With all that said, I dont judge negativly anyone who does ll even if they are 6'. It is their body and they can do whatever they want with it. I will admit that most average height and above llers I have seen are either ugly or complete wierdos though....
The man needs to be the one initiating anywhere, the experience of the overwhelming majority of men is that they have to chase the girls. Whether she accepts you is based off looks and height, not your confidence.
I agree the difference between 5ft 9 and 6ft isn't the same as going from 5ft 7 to 5ft 10 (short to average). They're both still well worth doing, much the same way I'd rather bang prime Megan Fox than the cute girl next door, but ultimately both are worth the shag.
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