13 or 15cm safe

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Quote from: zaozari on May 26, 2022, 10:56:00 PMFemurs are already really long bones and they seem even longer because they are directly atached to volumous tissue of tights and glutes and the clothes reinforce this visual effect. A huge amount in femurs aesthetically is worse than in tibias, usually, specially in very short guys, who have already, not only in numeric terms but also relatively short tibias. They would seem really ''mini short'' without big insoles.

Actually no. Clothes make you femurs look shorter than what they really are usually... neither segment can be lengthened too much as it will always  look weird in my opinion. Short men have proportionally shorter legs just as much shorter torso, arms, and neck usually. Most men and women are proportional with 1-3cm difference in the length of the lower limbs and torso.

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Quote from: informationispower on May 27, 2022, 07:50:58 AMActually no. Clothes make you femurs look shorter than what they really are usually... neither segment can be lengthened too much as it will always  look weird in my opinion. Short men have proportionally shorter legs just as much shorter torso, arms, and neck usually. Most men and women are proportional with 1-3cm difference in the length of the lower limbs and torso.

Generally shorter men have shorter arms and smaller hands?

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Quote from: informationispower on May 27, 2022, 07:50:58 AMActually no. Clothes make you femurs look shorter than what they really are usually... neither segment can be lengthened too much as it will always  look weird in my opinion. Short men have proportionally shorter legs just as much shorter torso, arms, and neck usually. Most men and women are proportional with 1-3cm difference in the length of the lower limbs and torso.

It's well established: short people have relatively short members (in relation to torso  neck and head). And short people also usually have shorter tibias (shorter tibias/femurs ratio).
If you say everything is shorter I don't understand any proportion diference.
Regarding femurs and clothing I read it from one orthopaedic doctor and in fact for example when you see a man walking from behind, you notice his tibias/femurs articulation, which is also the distance from the knee to the ground, contrasting visually directly, with a "femur atached continuously with the butt" and even back, with much smoother, low angle articulations / movements. You don't see for example any direct "bending" between femur and part of your trousers in the butt.

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Quote from: ilovescience on May 27, 2022, 03:04:32 PMGenerally shorter men have shorter arms and smaller hands?

Shorter arms, legs, and usually also hands, specially fingers, yes. Didn't read about feet.
But sometimes  there are variations (diferent fenotypes).

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Quote from: zaozari on May 27, 2022, 04:51:05 PMIt's well established: short people have relatively short members (in relation to torso  neck and head). And short people also usually have shorter tibias (shorter tibias/femurs ratio).
If you say everything is shorter I don't understand any proportion diference.
Regarding femurs and clothing I read it from one orthopaedic doctor and in fact for example when you see a man walking from behind, you notice his tibias/femurs articulation, which is also the distance from the knee to the ground, contrasting visually directly, with a "femur atached continuously with the butt" and even back, with much smoother, low angle articulations / movements. You don't see for example any direct "bending" between femur and part of your trousers in the butt.

It is not well established that shorter men have relatively shorter tibias compared to other men. The proportion discussion is that 5cm on a segment is acceptable and can be supported by anyone no matter the starting height. Above that, you need to check how much outside of the average you are. Again this is MY opinion. Too long tibs give you a walking on stilts look while too long fems give you a "goat legs" look.
I just want to repeat that I have never seen a post op pic of someone who lengthened either segment above 6 or both above 9-10 that looked good in MY opinion

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Quote from: informationispower on May 27, 2022, 04:57:37 PMIt is not well established that shorter men have relatively shorter tibias compared to other men. The proportion discussion is that 5cm on a segment is acceptable and can be supported by anyone no matter the starting height. Above that, you need to check how much outside of the average you are. Again this is MY opinion. Too long tibs give you a walking on stilts look while too long fems give you a "goat legs" look.
I just want to repeat that I have never seen a post op pic of someone who lengthened either segment above 6 or both above 9-10 that looked good in MY opinion

The proportion discussion you mention is generally correct, altough each body measures and physiological response to LL is different. But the rest, no, you can find sources easily.

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Quote from: zaozari on May 27, 2022, 05:03:02 PMThe proportion discussion you mention is generally correct, altough each body measures and physiological response to LL is different. But the rest, no, you can find sources easily.

I searched for sources but couldn't find any. Would be happy if you could share some articles

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Quote from: djimbo9 on May 25, 2022, 07:52:16 PM
You're not getting my point bro. And yes, I'm definitely short. When I go out in public, I feel like I'm either the same or smaller than the rest of the men. I'm from Bulgaria, Balkans yeah but fortunately the shortest Balkan nation. Can only imagine what our neighbours have to endure.

Friend, you are from Bulgaria? Здраво од Македонија! I'm 172cm and feel similar to you, although I live in Australia (but am from Macedonia, and have been there many times).

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Quote from: MK GoatKoza on May 29, 2022, 08:04:08 AMFriend, you are from Bulgaria? Здраво од Македонија! I'm 172cm and feel similar to you, although I live in Australia (but am from Macedonia, and have been there many times).

Yeah friend. Glad we aren't in Bosnia where 184cm would be fking average lol.

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Do you feel short in Australia?