It is a fascinating picture and also a little sad. Notice how he's wearing a slightly long sweater as well. With a dress shirt tucked into pants it would look even worse. It's almost shocking that surgeons will allow that kind of height increase, actually. I don't know what's worse, height discrimination or looking like a tall and freaky balloon on stilts? You're only replacing one more or less normal problem with another extremely rare one. How the hell will you explain it to someone? It's one thing for people to try to understand the need for having surgery just to become a little taller, but having multiple surgeries, spending years, only to end up looking like that (not to mention hardly walking normally)? 
It's a no-brainer that the average upper body of someone 5'4" will look weird on a 5'11" tall person. It's an 11% increase in height. The same figure applies to Apotheosis, btw. So I can imagine he looks a little like Crazy.
The new paradigm in LL; no longer are we aiming for 10cm
Quote from: old forum PartyLeaks on February 20, 2014, 01:22:48 PMThe same figure applies to Apotheosis, btw. So I can imagine he looks a little like Crazy.
I wouldn't compare Apoth with Crazy 6. Crazy 6 has a head full of hair which Apoth has none. Having hair helps Crazy look slightly more proportionate. And Apoth lengthen way more than Crazy has, 20cm?
And I wouldn't give Apoth too much credibility. Crazy 6 has an MBA background and managerial experience. I even doubt that Apoth even has a real job with all the hours he spent monitoring old forum . He's more like a cyber junkie with really bad people skill, banning ppl at the slightest mistake.
But if you really want to imagine what Apoth looks like from that photo, you can imagine two white pair of cleanly shaven legs underneath of a man in his 40s with bald head.
Quote from: just4cm on February 20, 2014, 09:40:22 AMMy plan is to correct bow legs I got from playing soccer. Believe me or not but it looks like I was ridding a horse whole my life. Could u please explain a bit more about having legs plated? Would I gain that 4cm I want so bad just with having my legs plated? Does every LL surgeon also do those kind of operation?
If you just want to get your leg straigthen, then I believe that won't be hard. I heard from Sarin that it will just takes 14 days. But if you want to lengthen along with straightening your legs then you have to go through the whole LL ordeal including straightening your legs at the same time.
I believe Sarin doesn't charge you extra for straightening your legs. It is included in the price of lengthening. However, because your legs will be straighten during the process, he won't insert a nail into your tibia like he does with normal LL patient. Once you finish your lengthening, he will plate your bones for support. The plate has less weight bearing relative to the IM nail but since there is no rod to interfere in your bones, your bones will consolidate faster. If you want just 4cm, then the whole ordeal would probably take just 4 months before you can walk freely again. 1.5 months for lengthening and 2.5 months is the conservative estimate for recovery.
Quote from: Smallguy on February 21, 2014, 12:59:21 AMIf you just want to get your leg straigthen, then I believe that won't be hard. I heard from Sarin that it will just takes 14 days. But if you want to lengthen along with straightening your legs then you have to go through the whole LL ordeal including straightening your legs at the same time.
I believe Sarin doesn't charge you extra for straightening your legs. It is included in the price of lengthening. However, because your legs will be straighten during the process, he won't insert a nail into your tibia like he does with normal LL patient. Once you finish your lengthening, he will plate your bones for support. The plate has less weight bearing relative to the IM nail but since there is no rod to interfere in your bones, your bones will consolidate faster. If you want just 4cm, then the whole ordeal would probably take just 4 months before you can walk freely again. 1.5 months for lengthening and 2.5 months is the conservative estimate for recovery.
Guys I just want to say once again, u r doing such a great job for future LL patients and if it means anything to u - I'm sooooo gratefull to each of you. If there is more people like you, the world would be a better place for sure.
Smallguy, my pick is dr. Mitkovic and I hope I'll get him soon. I'm working hard on getting my body and legs ready for the operation.
Boy, this topic sure is popular. 
A good friend recently gave this advice
" LL should be about adding more to your quality of life and making it better.
Not unnecessarily risking/ sacrificing one area of your life (Athletic, everyday ability, mobility, and Health/comfort/lack of pain) for another area (extra height). It's not about getting rid of one insecurity (shortness) and replacing it with another insecurity (ex. Scars, immobility, disproportion or whatever complications) .
The extra height is definitely worth it, only if you can live a full life."
Where's the problem than if all of us know it is too risky to go above 5cm? If u can't stretch your legs let say like barellina why you think muscles will do the job on their own when u lengthen a single cm? Anyone who's fighting to do splits or any stretching excercise knows it hurts when u r going beyond your stretching level. What I'm trying to say is that u must prepare your legs for LL and be fit like professional sportsman. I know Sweden was in good form and used to do taekwando but in my opinion he did to much of lengthening. It is impossible to stretch your muscle 7-8-9-10 cm without consecvences. Maybe 3cm is too much for the body to handle... Before u do the operation work hard on your body and don't length more than 5cm.
First of all your body won't look good, u'll face problems sooner or later and how can any doctor allow patient to length 10cm?? Does he have a heart?
Few of u lengthen more than 5cm and u r doing well, but what I've been reading almost everyone is facing one or more problems.
Sorry if my post sounds rude or agressive, I feel sorry for anyone who's in pain after surgery and I want everyone to be happy with their old or new life and I want to help as much as I can.
Once again I'm grateful to all of u on this forum. <3
My initial goal was 6cm when I came to India. It sounded like the most safe in combination with the most gain.
I then looked at all of the other patients legs and I couldn't really see anyone with abnormal proportions, even one guy who did 8,6cm.
My room mate did 7cm and so I figured I could do 7cm and be 180cm tall.
That's the story about choosing 7cm. (Turned 7,4 on device).
All of my problems started when passing 5cm.
I fought everything pretty good and I've been running and jumping and doing advanced kicks post LL and really felt the happiness LL is supposed to offer a patient.
Right now I have constant aches in my right ankle and I can't run absolutely not jump. It's a huge set back 
Maybe my ankles are too tight and I need surgery. I'll look more in to it as soon as I get back from Thailand.
I should have only done maximum 6cm.
But, I am "only" 178/179 and at the time it felt like a big deal being 180.
Apo didn't lengthened way much more than Crazy+60(hehe), only 3 more cm.
Crazy looked alright many times but he always wore long shirt, jeans and dress shoes - even when he was "working out"(or whatever you could call sitting down).
Apo claims he has done 4 hair transplants, and he shaves his head(
)! Christ 
He must look very weird with his spider legs and bold shiny head.
I'm considering femurs to even out my proportions. You can't see I lengthened but I would do 5-6cm on my femurs to get to 6 feet tall.
But right now I just want to heal up my ankles that are killing me.
With the born of this topic, I believe this forum is now officially superior to old forum . We are the people who can look at the reality in its eyes and make a wise decision. People on old forum are a bunch of poor delusional people mislead by Apo. This is how CLL evolves guy. I really hope that more and more people will join the " no more than 5cm/segment" club, so we wont have to witness anymore heartbroken stories in the future. Now I only use old forum to check on Sweden's diary.
Hey Sweden!
I did a surgery with Guichet on the femur about 35 day post op at about 4.6cm now. I am feeling fine and can extend my leg fully during night and sleep through the night without having to get up and go exercises. I can bend all my joints completely, but I have a problem walking with my legs closed.
I was wondering what your opinion is of me going past 5cm. How will I know there's a problem? How will I know when my body is started to get damaged? I am not a heavy sports person like you, but ideally I would like to be able to walk around on mountains to talk about philosophy and to also do long biking trips.
Thanks
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