The new paradigm in LL; no longer are we aiming for 10cm

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It seems, more and more people are now waking up and preferring recovery and athleticism.
Our targets are no longer 8,9,10 cms in one limb but rather 5 cm in femur and tibs.

I think this is good. It is just silly to ruin your body just to reach a silly dream created by the the discrimination that we have endured.

What really opened my eyes were;
OldiebutGoldie (6cm) doing skiing just like that. He looked so normal and so recovered, yet it wasnt even 1 year post-op!
Crazy+6 (9cm or something), guy never recovered.
Apotheosis and Tall (did 20cm on two surgeries) - they are both shy of posting videoes. Apo/sysop is posting some strange jogging video which looks so weird.
Few other horror examples from india which I wont mention.

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That seems to be the process of most who find out about CLL. When I first found out about it years ago I had the thought of doing 10cm per segment, but the more I read the more my goals continued to drop. I'm targeting 5.5 cm at max for my tibias. The ones who do extreme lengthening have extreme cases of height neurosis to the point where logic is thrown out the window. Really, what good is 20 cm if you're left with the body of a worn out old man?

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Quote from: Kilokahn on February 17, 2014, 09:39:59 PMwhat good is 20 cm if you're left with the body of a worn out old man?

Beautifully said.

With LL, we have the ability to improve our life drastically.  Let's not fk it up now by getting greedy!

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In a way, I thank them 20cm-ers for showing us not to follow them.

It's just amazing how the old forum advocates more, and more.

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Quote from: mediocre on February 17, 2014, 10:05:40 PMIn a way, I thank them 20cm-ers for showing us not to follow them.

It's just amazing how the old forum advocates more, and more.

Yes and no. On the one hand, Sysop/Apotheosis does repeat that people probably shouldn't do more than a certain amount on each segment and not follow his example. On the other hand, more people on that forum are potentially going to become delusional in terms of thinking that they can do 20 cm since Sysop downplays or doesn't address problems I'm sure he's having. I think he's fooling himself thinking he'll make a full recovery, but no skin off my nose if he wants to do so.

It is funny to take a step back and see how messed up old forum  is, though. I remember a post where Sysopotheosis said "I'm glad that all of the dumbasses that I've banned now have a place to congregate and spread misinformation about LL" and I was thinking that's very ironic considering that he and his right-hand man Crazy+6 are people who have done pretty much everything that experienced limb lengthening surgeons tell their patients they shouldn't do. Combine that with old forum 's karma and title system which both inflate everyone's egos and encourages threads where 20 people answer a question by saying "shut up and read the diaries" in the hopes one of the "vets" will give them a karma boost, and you have one train wreck of a forum.

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I remember the past, whenever he posted, it's like an all-knowing, narcissistic statements about CLL.

But now I notice that whenever he posts, it's more non-confrontational kumbayas.

He's feeling the heat that old forum  might not survive with the status quo.

Quote from: Kilokahn on February 17, 2014, 11:21:48 PM

It is funny to take a step back and see how messed up old forum  is, though... I remember a post where Sysopotheosis said "I'm glad that all of the dumbasses that I've banned now have a place to congregate and spread misinformation about LL" ...

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Crazy+6 did 10+ cm, I believe.... According to an old diary, it says he went from 5'4 to 5'11.... If he did this all in one surgery, I can understand why recovery would be next to impossible. That is a lot of lengthening for one surgery.

"I think this is good. It is just silly to ruin your body just to reach a silly dream created by the the discrimination that we have endured."

I think a lot of people get disillusioned by reality once they find out the truth. When I first found LL several years ago via old forum , I was one of those people that thought I could do 11 or 12 cm like the people writing those diaries. I was completely unaware that people doing that many cm were either going to end up crippled and disabled for the rest of their lives or end up with very off proportions. I understand that there are people out there that are trying to be 6'0 and beyond when they're 5'3 or 5'4 but it isn't realistic. I would rather be average height, than to be 6'0 tall and unable to half walk. I am blessed that I realized and found the truth before I put myself through such trials and tribulations.

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I like that there are doctors like Dr Franz who won't make a six footer out of a 5'4" guy.

Quote from: Cas on February 17, 2014, 11:38:51 PM
I think a lot of people get disillusioned by reality once they find out the truth. When I first found LL several years ago via old forum , I was one of those people that thought I could do 11 or 12 cm like the people writing those diaries. I was completely unaware that people doing that many cm were either going to end up crippled and disabled for the rest of their lives or end up with very off proportions. I understand that there are people out there that are trying to be 6'0 and beyond when they're 5'3 or 5'4 but it isn't realistic. I would rather be average height, than to be 6'0 tall and unable to half walk. I am blessed that I realized and found the truth before I put myself through such trials and tribulations.

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Quote from: mediocre on February 17, 2014, 11:37:20 PMI remember the past, whenever he posted, it's like an all-knowing, narcissistic statements about CLL.

But now I notice that whenever he posts, it's more non-confrontational kumbayas.

He's feeling the heat that old forum  might not survive with the status quo.

Yeah, he even started a thread about removing his recommended doctors list.


Quote from: Cas on February 17, 2014, 11:38:51 PMCrazy+6 did 10+ cm, I believe....According to an old diary, it says he went from 5'4 to 5'11.... If he did this all in one surgery, I can understand why recovery would be next to impossible. That is a lot of lengthening for one surgery.

He did two surgeries. The first one was external tibias with Drs Patil and Tejwani at SPARSH hospital in Bangalore. Then he did femurs with Dr Sarin in New Delhi. With tibias, Crazy+6 disobeyed the doctors and lengthened more than they advised him to. Although I think the complications with femurs came at fault from both doctor and patient.

One or two surgeries, that's still lengthening way beyond what people would consider a safe amount.

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Hi Kilo, for the record how is crazy+6 now?
Can he run? Does he have severely limited Activities of Daily Living?

How about Apo?

Quote from: Kilokahn on February 17, 2014, 11:45:58 PMYeah, he even started a thread about removing his recommended doctors list.


He did two surgeries. The first one was external tibias with Drs Patil and Tejwani at SPARSH hospital in Bangalore. Then he did femurs with Dr Sarin in New Delhi. With tibias, Crazy+6 disobeyed the doctors and lengthened more than they advised him to. Although I think the complications with femurs came at fault from both doctor and patient.

One or two surgeries, that's still lengthening way beyond what people would consider a safe amount.